Is WM/BW interracial on tv replacing BM/WW relationships?

Black men "complain" or beg about a lot of things. For example not getting the jobs as head coach of NFL teams. Totally superficial in terms of how it affected the lives of the vast majority of black men, but that didn't stop the complaints and the cries for changes to the hiring system.


My point is when you are being denied something by TPTB the only way you get to change that is by making your voice, your dissatisfaction, heard. How is it any different then black guys complaining they don't want to keep playing criminals, butlers, slaves, etc. It is all about what you decide to "beg" for I guess. If you like the status quo as it is now then by all means sit back and accept Hollywood limiting what a black man can be and who he is allowed to love on the screen. Results are only seen by those who stand up and say no more. Black women have been crying about everything regarding their images for an eternity. And now we are starting to see the fruits of that activity.

 

The Originals is still new. Give it a second season where the black dude actually gets his romantic pursuit then I will agree.

Mentioning Seven made me think of Morgan Freeman's character in Kiss The Girls. The book was amazing and it always annoyed me that they never allowed his character and Ashley Judd's to hook up the way they were suppose, instead they hire an actor nearly 20 years her senior who is almost like a father figure.
And I don't know why Guinverre being black was so far fetched when they constantly bastardize the lore about King Arthur. They never portray him going mad and killing innocent people, he's always noble no matter what. Merlin was never his age and he was suppose to fuck Morgana and have his bastard son who would later kill him.
I just thought of it as a retelling which makes me laugh because the racists weren't crying bloody murder over that but Idris Alba as a minor character in a retelling of Thor drives them crazy.

 

In Seven, Morgan Freeman's character and Gwyneth Paltrow's character, for a brief moment shared a very trusting and intimate relationship. It wasn't physical. But it suggests that even though she loves her husband, played by Brad Pitt, she was lonely and she needed a friend, so, she goes to Morgan's character because of his age and experience and the fact that he seemed interesting to her. Not an attraction, but a friend who is sympathetic. In the case of Alex Cross, a man who had, in the books, hooked up with white women(like Kiss The Girls and Along Came A Spider). But, for the film adaptations, Cross had to be almost asexual and use his intelligence and courage to get him through. In a commercial for the Science Channnel's Through The Wormhole, he was asked many questions. Including one that wasn't asked because he "knew it was coming." The question was if he had his choice of any actress to be with, he answered," Helen Mirren." Age and race are a funny thing in Hollywood, Sean Connery, Robert Redford, Robert De Niro and other older white actors do this all the time with their younger female co-stars. I remember the tale of Camelot. King Arthur had always been honorable. As was Sir Lancelot in his service to Arthur and in battle. The writer's of these films want to present a more edgier spin on this and other stories by using the time period. After all, this was the Middle Ages. I was surprised in the scene in the film Star Trek: The Final Frontier, to see a black woman as the Vulcan midwife who helps deliver Spock into that world.

 

I remember True Colors. When that show came on, there were death threats, so they had to tone down the romance. Eriq LaSalle from ER gave a press conference stating that he didn't want to play the interracial romance with actress Alex Kingston because he wanted to be there for black female fans. Yet he played Lucas Davenport author John Sandford's Prey series, a role intended for a white actor. Davenport hooked up with a lot of women and he often had a fwb relationship with a woman named Marion Rothenberg. Robert Guillaume from Benson had a show in which he kisses actress Wendy Phillips only once.

 

For black male characters, either in small or big screens, black male actors have to study the character very closely and ask the writers questions about where they intend to go with them. I mean, it is difficult to see a black male character be portrayed as a villain, victim. coward, inappropriate comic relief, or gay. I recall the HBO shows Six Feet Under and True Blood. Do the male black characters on these shows have to be gay? The cop on Six Feet Under didn't have to be. True Blood was based on a series of books and maybe the author originally had that character portrayed as gay and having a Latino lover, not white. The Shield had a black cop who was so conflicted, it was a train wreck waiting to happen. So, he is "reprogrammed" into being straight and he hooks up with a black single mother. While it was a good thing, on the surface, it sounded like he hated himself for what he was and he couldn't deal with it. Actors these days, have to be willing to take that chance. The film Showgirls got actress Elizabeth Berkley in trouble because her character Nomi Malone kissed and got fondled by actor Glen Plummer, kissed by Gina Gershon and was screwing Kyle MacLachlan. And she bared all after years of doing the show Saved By The Bell playing a good girl. Her careeer almost ended because of that film. Now, she is still acting on television(playing Horatio Caine's ex-wife in CSI: Miami and playing a femme fatale in an epsidode of Law And Order: Criminal Intent). The white male in films and shows has to be the dominant force and one who can have any woman he desires. Outside of this, he is simply doing what a man does. But if a black male does this, it is not a good selling tool. I pray to God that this changes. I think back on the black rock group Living Color's song How To Get To America(I think. But great song).

"I look at my tv. Your America's doing fine. I look out my window. My America's doing time."

 

I'll be honest. I despise the CW so I'm not going to keep up with the Originals just as I never kept up with Vampire Diaries. That said I did catch much of the first five episodes of the Originals to give it a chance. The black guy on the show has no problem getting women, particularly the main blonde who is kinda his soul mate. They had an affair going back hundreds of years. On the Vampire Diaries is there a black female equivalent. The black guy on the Originals is front and center in terms of the promos and advertisements, I don't know of any black actress getting treated like that for Vampire Diaries. I know there is a black female character on that show but I don't believe she is as prominent. Regardless my point is that by creating the black male character for the Originals and allowing him to have a healthy sex life (maybe the wrong word to use for that show) TPTB have already made a counterpoint to anything that is going on in the Vampire Diaries. One doesn't have to wait unti season two to see where it goes or give them pros. My only issue is that those shows are so damn horrible that I can't take too much of them and end up dropping out after a handful of episodes.

That's why I always claimed that Morgan Freeman, as much as I like him, was wrong for the part. People use to wonder why I would think that. I would tell them by using someone of Morgan's age TPTB were taking the sexuality out of the character. People didn't get where I was coming from. But of course people in general tend not to notice the castration of black male characters as I do.

That being said I would take old man Morgan back any day over Mr In The Closet Tyler Perry. That shows you the lack of seriousness Hollywood is when it comes to developing or discovering true black leading men. Now you actually ahve this topic being addressed thanks to the breakout performances this year of guys like Chadwick Boseman, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Michael B. Jordan, etc. It is as if the media collectively awoke to realize that the established black actors were long in the tooth and there needed to be some fresh blood. But we've already been discussing that topic on this board for quite awhile.

Try bastardizing the lore by making King Arthur black and I think maybe you would see why that is far fetched. There weren't a bunch of black maidens hanging around that part of the world during that time. Period. That makes a black Guinevere stick out like a sore thumb. If she had been Asian or Arabic my argument would still be the same. It is absurd. I hate it when TPTB don't stay true to the time and that includes PC stunt casting. It would be more acceptable if Merlin or Morgana had been people of color because they are in ways alien to the rest of society.

 

True Blood was based upon a series of books. I do lnow that the black main character on the show was black in the books as well. I'm not sure if he was gay as well in the novels but I think I read somewhere that he died early on (unlike the TV show in which he lives on to this day). Now the black waitress who plays the best friend of Sookie? She is white in the novels.


As for Six Feet Under my feelings are that while I didn't have a problem with the black guy being gay or his relationship with David, I did think it was interesting that the lone true, strong interracial relationship that a black male character had on those cable series at that time only occurred when the black guy was gay. Hollywood seems more ready to pair a black male with a white male than a black guy with a black female. Not too long ago there was some Christmas family movie with Steve Martin and Diane Keaton. The children in the family were grown and they included a couple of hot daughters. There was a black male character too who was accepted as family because he was in a relationship with one of the grown children. Of course it wasn't with any of the daughters. He was in a relationship with the gay white son of the family. I bet TPTB didn't bat an eye at that. However just the thought of pairing him with the daughter would have likely given them pause I'm sure.

 

Or maybe they are just a bunch of sissy men raised by their mommas who were told that black women are infallible, no matter what she does, or how coonish she is. These type of men have been crushed by their black mothers, who is a subtle agent for white supremacy even if they don't even know it.

Hollywood knows the formula of IR couples. Look at Blair Underwood's Ironside. He was banging a ww on screen (in the commercials), and it got cancelled the first season. As a matter of fact, it has the WORST premier showing of ANY new cable television show. Yet Sleepy Hollow and Scandal still goes strong.:smt012

You can say all rather its bad writing or a uninteresting storyline, but the big elephant in the room is that black men getting with a positive, sexual, and healthy relationship with a pretty, desirable, white girl is a THREAT to white supremacy. Wm getting with bw (and she always have to be intelligent and desirable) REINFORCES the notion of white supremacy. That's the bottom line, and Hollyweird knows this.


BTW, are you RealTalk from Topix, and or live in the DMV area?

 

Damn, I forgot about Iron Side. NBC killed that show pretty quickly huh? Lol.

And I definitely agree, TV is all about white male power fantasy now. White dudes can get whatever woman they want and minority males get relegated to asexual sidekick status now.

 

I think one of the things that you all are missing is the catalyst...Shonda Rhimes is the writer/producer of Scandal, Grey's Anatomy & Private Practice...she is turning out hit shows for ABC one after another...one thing you have to credit her with is that she challenges the boundaries of relationships and the viewers embrace it

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I don't think we have seen gay BM or BW in her scripts yet but I am certain it is coming

 

I had no problem with the black guy being gay on Six Feet Under. I had no problem with the gay characters in True Blood. They had their purpose and they fulfilled it. I didn't know that Ironside was canceled. Well, Blair Underwood was nowhere near Raymond Burr. But, if it is because of an ir romance, Hollywood or more importantly, white America, needs to really grow up.

 

I think interracial relationships in television and film generally pair white male characters with women of all races, as the ability to break racial boundaries was always historically the prerogative of white men, not women. I think the white population of this country will always be more comfortable with that than with any pairing that involves non-white relationships with white women. It's changing, albeit very slowly.

 

The Ironside remake was cancelled because it didn't get ratings. It didn't get ratings most likley because it was horrible. The first episode, which I happened to see online before it made its TV debut, was horrible at least. I HATED the idea in the first place. Underwood has a contract with NBC which means the network tries to find worthy material for him. And that was the best they could do? Even worse Underwood agreed to it? Not only do I hate remakes, I also found it suspicious that black guy with leading man looks like Blair would be relugated to playing a guy in a wheelchair. Then I started seeing the commercials of him getting it on with some chick while in the wheel chair and I thought to myself well at least his dick still works but it is still a bad idea.

In this day and age if you are going to do a procedural, rather than a serial show, you have to give it a lot of quirkiness for it to survive or it better be well written. The Ironside remake failed on those fronts. It was average, it was boring, it nearly put me to sleep. It deserved to fail. What NBC should have done instead was give Underwood a show like The Black List that was fresh and had some interesting elements to it rather than stick him with a by-the-book remake cop show. But this is the same NBC that hired Terrence Howard to star in a Los Angeles version of Law and Order. How unoriginal.

I did notice in the week leading up to the premiere of Ironside there was some griping from some black chicks on twitter regarding Underwood. I was wondering if he left his black wife for a white woman the way they were dismissing him. Those ladies were kinda treating him like Taye Diggs. I guess it must have been that they saw that what passed as a love inerest on the show for him was not a black woman (although I couldn't be sure if she was white either).

 

You do realize that the largest demographic who watches TV is white women, don't you? Are white women so programmed that they are far more comfortable with seeing white males with women of color on TV than they are with seeing white women paired with men of color? That's possible of course but to the extent that it is so one-sided in the favor of white men and non-white women?

 

You said it not me. But there is truth in what you wrote; I didn't want to go there. Its a topic I try to stay away from.

I'm afraid I don't know who that is nor do I even know what Topix is.

 

Possibly, I can't recall a time where I heard a ww say she doesn't like seeing wm in ir. Probably because they don't have that "stealing all our good men" mentality.

 

THIS...ww could care less if wm date, marry and have kids with bw, Asian women, foreign women, aliens etc...it just isn't an issue

 

Because everyone wants ww there are no threats to you. Shit even the most homely ww can find a dude from another race who will mess with her. Bw don't have that luxury.

 

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Nope.

It's because WW belong to a male dominate society.


BW belong to a female dominate society where BM and ONLY BM are to be controlled.

BW do not see WM as their enemy.