12 years a slave... Critics are already comparing it to Schindler's List

Guy, what fucking wealth are you talking about?! America had potential before WWII, but except in the case of a few Captains of Industry/Robber Barons, the country was average. AT FUCKING BEST. It wasn't on any level in the same league with the European nations and economies. Industrialization, and the United States entering WWII is what gave the country it's wealth and power.

The country was bankrupt after the Civil War...where did the "wealth looted from slaves" come in? Was the South an economic powerhouse due to slavery? Point me in the right direction, because I have no idea what the fuck your talking about.

 

Yes the south was a powerhouse due to slavery. Free labor with minimal cost for.production made them very attractive for trade for.luxury items. Think of it this way why is.China so powerful?

 

Slavery in the South was important to the economy because it was an agricultural society. Cotton was king. Cattle and horses, too. The North was heavily industrialized. The guns used by the Union Army were made up north. Andrew Jackson before he was elected president owned slaves. It was cheap labor. The arrival of the Carpetbaggers and other opportunists during the reconstruction period made things worse for southerners. These individuals, out to make their fortune, preyed upon the misfortune of others. The slaves were interested only in leaving for a better life up north as far as Canada.

 

I like Stumpy because it feels like with everything he says he is just pissed the fuck off.

"Guy, what the fuck fucking wealth ya STUPID fucking fuck"

 

Boys definitely got a corncob stuck up his ass

 

If we were casting WWBM people for Boondocks characters, dude is no doubt Colonel Stinkmeaner.

 

I know right

 

What you gon do nigga what you gon do?

 

The line spoken by Colonial Space Marine Frost played by Rico Ross from Aliens. That was a good line.

 

for someone who calls himself "stumper" he keeps getting stumped :mrgreen:

 

Nah, it's not an underlying current. Mainly that kinda talk comes up in opposition to ppl who try to make it seem that dysfunction is just "baked into" being black

I doubt if you could cite many examples of the what you're saying.

It's just a psychological reflex by now to think (and say) that black ppl sit around "whining" and "complaining" and don't do anything to solve their situation. "They don't face obstacles, their attitude is their obstacle. They should learn to 'adapt', yadda yadda yadda..." :roll:

That narrative gets drummed into ppl, designed to make you dismiss the very real obstacles that black people face based on the nature of american society and culture from the times of slavery through my generation (at least). It's also designed to make you ignore the fact that some black ppl strive and excel in spite of the race equation. Doesn't mean they should ignore it though

making your way is not at all incompatible with removing obstacles from your path :!:

Many ppl embrace that "blacks use slavery as an excuse" narrative, but it doesn't hold up to very basic challenges like "how does that work?" and "walk us through it" and "have you ever actually seen it"

In the meanwhile, I can walk you through how real-life obstacles of "race" (including america's history of slavery) impact black men's lives step-by-step, a to b to c... And I can cite stuff from my own life to illustrate it

and then...

Gotta be able to actually "see" us rather than the image drummed into your head.

Anyway, don't be stung by the things said on this board. The guys here also say a lot of interesting things about black men, black women, other minorities, white ppl , whatever. And they challenge those ideas too, just like you did in your post. It's just part of discussing america's race equation.

A lot of times ppl don't voice their ideas because voicing them means the ideas could be challenged, and they'd rather hold those ideas dear ..

If the ideas don't hold water don't hang on to them :!:

BM pay a real price for some of those ideas :smt045

 

Have you been here for the last 2 years and read the posts I have? I didn't think so.

 

No I haven't. but in the time that I've been here, I haven't seen much of what you're talking about

Okay, I'll look forward to ppl (including chesbay) pointing it out in the future.

But in the meanwhile, didn't you just write in your other post that you've never actually heard anyone say these things that irk you?

 

I did agree that no one actually verbalized the particular words you used. Hence, why I used the phrase "underlying current." What I expressed is my opinion, not fact. If you disagree, fine. That's your opinion.

 

I still await his response lol

 

To be fair you're making statements as if they're facts based on what you have witnessed. I disagree with your premise because I have been on here more than two years and I personally haven't seen anyone use slavery or racism as an excuse to not succeed. I however have seen people explain what it means to.be black in America and the obstacles that come with it. Much like how Huntress and Trixie would explain how misogyny has played/plays a role in holding back women.

 

I made one statement, TDK. And I prefaced it with saying that I believed it was the truth from my vantage point. Meaning that is how it appears to me. When pressed, I clarified that I've never actually witnessed someone saying "Slavery has held me back."

You are not me. Medulla is not me. You are both black men, younger than I am. You are bound to read posts and take from them, different things than I might, being an older, white woman. I expressed an opinion. If you disagree, that's fine.

 

You don't see how what you said might cause a rebuttal or how it may be scrutinized? Fair enough but when you make a statement saying that for two years you've been reading posts that give you the impression black people blame slavery for not being able to progress its not too unreasonable for one to ask for examples supporting your claim.

 

Medulla insinuated that I said more than I did. You may disagree with my opinion and tell me why. But to tell me that I'm stating facts (when I clearly said it was an observation or opinion) or make it seem as though I said things I didn't, that's not acceptable to me. I based my opinion on what I've read here. Not on some "image drummed into my head."

Next time I read something that resonates with this theme, I will point it out. I'm not about to sit here and sift through thousands of posts to support an opinion. If I was arguing this as fact, then you could ask that of me and expect it.

 

http://www.shmoop.com/civil-war/economy.html

Economically, the Civil War was not a contest between equals. The South had no factories to produce guns or ammunition, and its railroads were small and not interconnected, meaning that it was hard for the South to move food, weapons and men quickly and over long distances. In addition, though agriculture thrived in the South, planters focused on cash crops like tobacco and cotton and did not produce enough food to feed the southern population. The North, on the other hand, had enough food and enough factories to make weapons for all of its soldiers. It also had an extensive rail network that could transport men and weapons rapidly and cheaply. At first, this superiority of the North didn't seem to make much of a difference; like many wars in history, those involved thought it would be over quickly. But northern advantages would prove crucial as the war dragged on.

The differences in manpower and industrial capacity were so profound that the fact that the South almost won the war was a shock to observers all over the world. On paper, there was no way that the South could possibly have stood up to the North, which had all of the material and financial advantages, and which did an excellent job of closing off the only advantage the South did have: cotton. Since most of the South's money came from exporting cotton the North aimed to shut this trade down. One of the very first things the Union government did was to blockade southern ports. The blockade took some time to become operational, but after the capture of New Orleans the amount of southern cotton exported to England plummeted. With it went the South's only consistent form of income, something it desperately needed to defeat the North.

I guess all historians, textbooks, scholars of the field are wrong, and TDK, who said that the South was "economic powerhouse" is right....damn, I got a good laugh out of that.

Ignent, who talks out of his ass, links no sources, and yet states everything as fact.

Why is China such a powerful economy? Because it finally understood that communist economic policies set the peasant farmer as an equal to everyone else...they adapted to western/capitalistic policies to capitalize from the massive source of labor they had...

Intelligence and education....quite an amazing thing.