Trayvon Martin's Murder

Bliss said:
Ah, ok gotcha.

So where then do you think the head wound came from?
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sure as hell not the concrete...

I think he did that himself to bolster his self-defence claim...

Happens all the time.....people actually shoot themselves to establish an alibi .

They should check chubby's flashlight..
 
Alinoa said:
self inflicted because he knew he needed an alibi for shooting an innocent 17 year old boy to death based on "i was attacked".

I understand people don't want to think it's an open and shut case but what else is it if not that?

He followed a "thug" in a dark neighborhood that had just been robbed or whatever. With a gun. And no provocation other than what was in his head. When he confronted Trayvon...Well, he was the big bad ass samaritan with the gun and when Trayvon fought back which is a reasonable thing to do, fight or flight and all that, he said he attacked me.

Trayvon only attacked because he was being threatened.
That's the only case the prosecution has to make to make Zimmermans SYG defense invalid.

But then there are a whole slew of other things that add to the fact that Zimmerman is not what he appeared to be that night according to his story.

Case closed.

But in red neck Florida?
Maybe not so much.
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you beat me to it...dammit
 
Thanks Ali.

Thanks Flaming.

Yeah, I have heard of people shooting or stabbing themselves to paint themselves as a victim or as the 'sole surviving' victim in a murder they themselves actually committed, or set up. Well hopefully someone from forensics will soon testify as to what was or wasn't absent.
 
Stumper said:
A couple weeks before Feb 26th, a young black male was arrested for burglary in the neighborhood of Z...

A couple months before Feb 26th, a home invasion, where a mother and her son had to hide upstairs in a closet while burglars were downstairs stealing her TV and laptop had occured...in the neighborhood of Z.

The prospect of George Zimmerman profiling Martin because he was "black" is taking a bad beating today....he followed Martin because of the incidents listed above, and that's not an unrealistic argument to be made. In fact, it's probably more realistic than the former.
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paniro187 said:
It was a no gun REQUEST. if he is legally allowed to carry then he is legally allowed to have it.
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If these pertinent facts are being rejected flatly by those with opposing opinions....then you two should ration the amount of debate energy you continue to put into the argument...If the folks already have their minds made up, If their ears are shut to the surrounding circumstances, If the hatred for George Zimmerman as a white racist child killer is a pregone conclusion, If the patterns and the history of local crime leading up to the confrontation has no bearing, then how fruitful is your debate.
These beautiful, bright emotionally-fixed people appear to be conducting their own trial with their own skewed set of facts outside this trial...what we must do is stay with-in the unfolding expectations of this trial and not anymore argue with them about the trial they see ......
 
Stumper said:
How can you racially profile when the action he thought could happen, ALREADY happened TWO times?!

From previous history, he discriminated by what happened ALREADY, not based on color. Say the burglary and home invasion had been perpetrated by white people....is he profiling white people if he calls 911 non emergency?

I'm sorry, but that argument is ridiculous.
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Stumper said:
Because you know what a real burglar looks like, right? They dress in black and white stripes and wear a black beanie?
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paniro187 said:
What were the words of the 911 operator? Also what the hell kind of authority does a 911 operator have.......
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Its really weird that you guys are arguing the opposite on this one. Riddle me this if its not about racial perception how does a kid who doesn't have any history of violence jump to assaulting strangers in the dark and grabbing for their gun to kill them. Doesn't sound more plausible that someone with a knowledge of the law and a history if aggression would kill the kid and then lie about it.
 
Archman said:
If these pertinent facts are being rejected flatly by those with opposing opinions....then you two should ration the amount of debate energy you continue to put into the argument...If the folks already have their minds made up, If their ears are shut to the surrounding circumstances, If the hatred for George Zimmerman as a white racist child killer is a pregone conclusion, If the patterns and the history of local crime leading up to the confrontation has no bearing, then how fruitful is your debate.
These beautiful, bright emotionally-fixed people appear to be conducting their own trial with their own skewed set of facts outside this trial...what we must do is stay with-in the unfolding expectations of this trial and not anymore argue with them about the trial they see ......
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Arch, let me ask you, as has been put forth time and again here...

If it was you being followed.... and the man didn't ID himself, what would you have done?

Understand, nowhere did GZ say in his statement to police that when Trayvon allegedly asked him "You got a problem?' did GZ say, "look, I am with NHW." He told them he simply said, 'no'.

So if a man clearly following you said 'no' to your question, you STILL don't know who the hell he is...AND you could see he actually did have a problem with you.... would you take him at his word and turn your back on him?
 
I just did!!!

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Alinoa said:
I will bring the popcorn. You bring the dingleberries. If you can find them, that is.

:p
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Alinoa said:
How?

Very Badly. That's my final answer.

Did you hear that? Someone should call the paramedics and the police.
This thread derailed about 6 posts ago.
I think I was the culprit.
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i have a couple of questions for gun people. the gun zim had was a keltec pf-9 9mm. can u chamber the round with one hand? can u shoot a gun without chambering/cock the gun?
 
The Dark King said:
Its really weird that you guys are arguing the opposite on this one. Riddle me this if its not about racial perception how does a kid who doesn't have any history of violence jump to assaulting strangers in the dark and grabbing for their gun to kill them. Doesn't sound more plausible that someone with a knowledge of the law and a history if aggression would kill the kid and then lie about it.
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Trayvon had a big history of violence...including in his texts, friends telling him to stop fighting so much. He was suspended from school as well for it....

He also HOSTED fight clubs out of school, where he would participate and "referee" them...

But this is the image, fed by the media, and eaten up by the hivemind......that they think was brutally gunned down by a wild vigilante hell bent on murdering some colored folk that night....

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