college in crisis- who is the blame

Morici: Forgiving student debt won't help students, fix colleges

College is too expensive, graduates can’t find decent jobs and pay off their loans, and students, parents and educators all share in the blame. Now, President Obama proposes to forgive more student debt and that will make a bad situation worse.

More than half of recent graduates are working as waiters, taxi drivers or some other occupation that does not require a college education. The number in minimum wage jobs has doubled since 2007.

Slow growth and a tough jobs market is one reason but as importantly, too few college students choose tough majors like nursing, engineering and accounting that enjoy a robust demand for graduates. Too many select easier subjects like politics, history and other liberal arts, and emerge with few practical skills.

Good jobs abound for technicians in health care, computers and other fields—often educated at community colleges—and the Labor Department finds most rapidly growing occupations don’t require a bachelor’s degree. However, parents fear their children, without a four-year diploma, will lack the flexibility to navigate a lifetime of changing conditions.

If students are lazy and parents risk adverse, university professors and presidents are worse.

Professors simply teach less and engage in more research of questionable value than in the past. In the 1950s and 1960s, a significant track record of publications was not required for tenure for most undergraduate faculty—advancing the frontiers of science and the arts was mostly the work of professors engaged in post-graduate education.

Nowadays, professors at all levels must publish to win tenure, but much of what they do adds little value to either the practical world or the advancement of knowledge in a purer sense—but requires lighter teaching loads to enable.

Once tenured, many don’t publish much but still keep their light teaching schedules.

University bureaucracies are even worse—presidents and deans often have staffs bigger than CEOs and managers running much larger businesses. And faculties, which make virtually all decisions by consensus, spend endless hours in committees advising presidents and deans, and are supported by mind numbing bureaucracies too.

======================================================

there is more to the article....click on link

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/art...student-debt-won-t-help-students-fix-colleges

 

It used to be that a business would hire a college grad with the intent of training him or her within a given field. You didn't need to major in a technical or medical field to gain employment.

I didn't click the link, but the above segment was a total dodge. The fact is college debt is putting too many grads in a financial hole that prevents them from buying homes and making major financial investments that would help to boost the economy.

 

i agree . college should not be THAT expensive....

 

when college tuition is equal to a families annual income there is something completely broken. Mofos are making money hand over fist and aren't giving anything in return.

 

that is the truth there

 

that would put many a smile on the faces of students if that still held true

rarely do those jobs exist..where they say 'No experience required' or 'will train'

these jobs now..they want you to be able to hit the ground running and immediately contribute like you're fucking RGIII or some shit

it's very catch-22

how can i get a job if i dont have experience?

how can i get experience if i cant get a job?

grab your ankles and blow yourself because that's the only action you'll be getting anytime soon

basically

tuition isnt the shit tho...it's the TOTAL COST

45k tuition + room/board/cocaine

my god man...70 k/yr easily...that's a family income around here...more than

to top it off..like everyone's saying..getting an 'entry level' job after graduation aint even there like it used to be

just looking at these job sites, i dont even see 'entry level' shit

although i will admit my hospital did post an internal listing for a job

they were like 'no exp needed - WILL TRAIN'

shit was gravy for someone who honestly wanted to do something different and learn on the job

that was like way back in '05 tho

everything i see now wants prior experience required

wtf

i'm just makin shit up like

made calls for pizza during the superbowl for the homies...so that's administration experience

used microsoft office to make a porno flyer at home one time...there's some application exp

 

^^^^^I hire new grads all the time. Brought on 3 last week alone. Green nurses are actually a preference sometimes because they come with no bad habits! We can train them the proper way, and mentor them to become successful RNs, providing top notch patient care. I do wish more employers would look at new grads as an opportunity to mold them to the standards their company requires. That mindset might get more newbies in the door.

 

...and force the old guard out or into stagnation



i do agree with the habits tho

i been where i'm at for the past 9 years and have worked under multiple directors

each new director brings in their own way of doing things, and it is HARD to adapt

so..u see a bunch of young kids hired in a group, with the old guard ostracized for simply being stubborn, dogged workers with serious time in

it comes with the territory tho..you have to be stubborn to work consistently anywhere for 9 years. you become a fucking veteran who knows everything and won't quit when shit gets rough..but it makes you hard to train lol

 

Yes! I've been with my company for almost 12 years (I was 19 when I started here :shock:...now I'm old), so I'm definitely the veteran around these parts! We actually got a new Director 2 years ago and he's been the best thing to happen to this place in a long time. He knows I want to keep moving up (Director is my next goal)...and he's grooming me well. I have a lot of admiration for a Director who truly wants to see you succeed, and puts in the effort to help you grow as an employee. He and I both reap the benefits that way.

Anyways, it is incredibly hard to teach an old dog new tricks...especially RNs who've been in the field 20-30 years! I appreciate their expertise, but I look for more than that in a new hire...I need a personality that will fit within my departments, and I must admit...I love a thirsty new grad!

 

lol..ive heard that term so many times it's funny

but yeah..if someone KNOWS you want to move up and want to learn, they should take the time to teach/groom

there's an old saying within martial arts that a black belt has as much to gain from the instruction of a white belt, as the white has to gain from the black

you're director is probably becoming better at what they do by molding someone and bringing to the surface, the ability and traits that they used to get to where they are

on that note, if you have the motivation, you can get to anywhere you want in life as long as you apply yourself

 

and the new hires MAY be better on the bottom line

 

It's always better on the budget. A new grad will get around $26...a seasoned RN could get $35+. That's a huge difference in my budget. It's not the determining factor for me when I hire, but it is something I always have to weigh.

 

I remember a professor that told a group of us, "If you don't get a response.. then that's (usually) your response."

I'm trying not to be discouraged.. finished up a bachelor's in december... i've been actively applying online for various jobs/fellowships for 7 months and counting.. the application count is roughly at 100 at this point.. aside from 7 or so polite rejection letters (mostly through email), virtually no responses yet.. a lot of these groups now don't list an HR person or manager to follow up with.. you're just "uploading blind". I don't qualify for standard (unpaid) internships now since I've graduated.. i'm not in grad school so I can't work that angle to get something.. virtually no one offers relocation subsidy.. meanwhile in my current job my time has been cut in half due to budget woes.. it sucks to be angry enough to quit but recognizing that you still need the income.. It's also curious that in this "globalized" Internet-era of job searches, you can still hit dead-ends more often than not.

 

What was your major?

 

I'm hunting for a summer job, and it is damn near impossible to get employed. I haven't even gotten my bachelors yet. I have some actual experience to. I'm ffing up against people with their Masters for entry level shitty part time jobs shit is rough out here.

 

depending on where you apply, you are actually MORE likely to get a 'shitty part time job' than someone who is over qualified with a grad degree

that's the weird part about this country

you'd assume that any job would be rewarded to the ones who go above and beyond with their education, when in reality they dont

lots of companies are weary of hiring egg-heads because they assume they'll book at the first sign of daylight

 

Or they just care about experience. One of my boys does the hiring for his company and he was showing me the resumes for a summer temp position. Fam they had an Olympic Bronze medalist applying for a 15 dollar an hour job, I almost fell out of my seat. I thought dude was full of shit but low and behold dude was in the 92 and 96 Olympics. Fucking blew my mind, you'd think that kind of accomplishment means your life is gravy forever but apparently not. He had people with their masters applying for the jobs too but ultimately he gave positions to people with good experience and a long solid work history. It is fucking crazy out there. Recovery my ass

 

i thought it was fairly known that Olympians worked at places like home depot, lowes, or whatever for that type of wage (or lower)

a college degree really isnt a requirement for them (plus most of them don't really make money for their sport unless they become a household name), so when their bodies are old and busted they really have nowhere else to go unless they make a living training others or making donuts

it's like Kurt Warner bagging groceries before he went back into football

at that level, your sport becomes first and job skills dont matter

when the sport days are over, either you have enough money to live off of or you're clocking the checkout at Walmart

 

Damn I had no idea, I thought all the medalist were living sweet lives. Guess not everyone is going to be living like Usain Bolt

 

dude i know ur smarter than that

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/home-depot-dismantles-olympic-athletes-jobs-21761

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/27/news/economy/Olympics_jobs/

the only ones living it sweet that probably dont have to work are the big brand names like Usain Bolt, Mike Phelps, etc...anyone featured on the Wheaties box

the black chick named gabby got like 1+ mil for doing Wheaties....but again..she was a gold medalist

everyone else is hoping that they can just survive between olympic games..let alone support themselves once their careers are done