25 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

You honestly think that having to plan an attack would have made him less deadly? Ummm... Really? I just...? I don't know what to say to this... I mean... really?

Anyway, I will be back in a few hours. Enjoy the debate.

 

really. really. NRA cliche. really. OK OK Ok

so you are telling me . carry your glock cool. carry that. willl you need an AR .223 bushmaker while walking down the street. you know super size that

dont you remember that cops got in a gun fight with a criminal and hit innocent bystanders just a few weeks ago...and you are gonna do better than them. really. really in not hitting someone else.

also where in the world did i say take away your guns? plz point it out before you post anything else. go pull that post up where i said no one should have guns period.

 

gun debates are just a cover for the larger problem at hand..

the fact is that there are people that are suffering so much in their lives (or in their gotdamn heads), that they feel the need to shoot up schools full of a children

society is broken in some areas evidently, but instead of looking deeper into what provoked such killings now and in the past, we'd rather shift the blame to the preferred tool of their trade

why?

because that's the easy thing to do, as no one wants to have to work for a proper solution

case in point...the kid who shot up the theater ALSO had prepared explosives ON HIS OWN (not really hard in the age of the internet). either way he was going to commit mass murder

 

true buyt dont make it easier to kill a group of people. remember his gun jammed. now think about that. what if his clips were only 5 large instead of 100? thats a big fucking difference.

yes, he should have been cuaght opn the mental health tip but how many of us are trained for that kind of shit. just because a person is a loner doesnt equate to mass murder

 

All these handguns among the general public have gradually made our society more violent, not more safe.

It's the big lie that more guns = greater security.

Unless you have a conceal and carry permit or carry your handgun as a sidearm as you're allowed to do in Virginia, your gun is a security blanket. It's not a crime deterrent.

In those states with typically the most liberal gun laws, the South leads the nation in violent crimes with 41%, the West accounted for 22.9%, the Midwest is next with 19.5%, and the Northeast is last with 16.2%.

In states where it's easier to purchase and own handguns, these regions lead the nation in violent crime. The Northeast with its major urban centers and historical crime problems, but some of the strictest gun laws in the country, statistically have the least amount of violent crime.(per the FBI).

You don't drive down the crime rate by arming every law abiding citizen.

 

What i'm saying is the ease with which he attacked could have been a starting point for maybe the thing not happening in the first place.

If he had a plan and was going to kill, he was going to kill. And that's that.

But it was made so much easier by the fact that ALL he had to do was get guns and then shoot them.

Thats it.

And I for one, Mentally Defective, as I am...CANNOT imagine looking into a 6 year olds eyes and pulling a trigger to kill them.

And hey! I've got all types of problems that lead me to be Mentally Defective, as Bliss coins it.

And you know how it is....All black men will rape all white women..so must be all Mentally Defective people will shoot all 6 year olds in society.

I'm done here.

 

whooop there it is

 

These stats say that right to carry laws do work in lowering crime

Additionally, according to the FBI, states with Right-to-Carry laws have a 22 percent lower total violent crime rate, a 30 percent lower murder rate, a 46 percent lower robbery rate and a 12 percent lower aggravated assault rate compared ot the rest of the country. Similar FBI statistics show total violent crime rates drop once state adopt Right-to-Carry laws. We think these numbers speak for themselves.” Rep. Heath Shuler (D) North Carolina
Rep. Cliff Stearns (R) Florida
Source: the Washington Times, Nov. 11, 2011

 

Real talk. ^

His former teacher said he was extremely emotionally detached due to his Asberger's Syndrome and that he had not one friend. That if he was burnt by fire, he'd not feel it, and how he had to look out for things like that with him.

Bottom line this killer could have wildly killed as many with a machete, or even waited in a revved car/SUV/truck and floored it as the kids were being let out. Total carnage. I mean look at his targeted victims - even a greenhorn who has never touched a gun could take aim at little babies. Those kids were like puppies in a cage. The coroner said he shot into his mother's head multiple times, and some kids as many as eleven times! Jesus, that's derangement, evil, pure corpse mutilation. This shit isn't about guns.

 

I can't do much about what happens to me on the street (though I can obtain a license to carry if I want to, I just haven't chosen to right now), but in my home, its just as an added layer of protection, that's all. It's not an automatic guarantee of safety, it just gives me a fighting chance.

 

:smt081 People who want to put hard restictions on guns are often the people who know the least about them. How am I going to defend home with a 9mm :smt095 Handguns are not deathrays like we see in the movies. All some nut job needs is some drugs in his system and it will take me at least 3 or 4 shots to drop him unless I hit him smack in the dome. Thats hard to do in the middle of the night when it is dark and I am half sleep. Earth to Andre

 

Violent crime has been decreasing over the last decade, not just in right to carry states.


The FBI has never made a correlation between the downtrend in violent crime and right to carry laws.

 

too much Sons of Anarchy obviously

bunch of wild goons rollin around everywhere with uzis and shotguns

 

I never said a 9mm should have a 5 round capacity.
How does a nutjob on drugs get into your house?? Kick down the door?? Slide down the chimney??

20+ mag capacity clips should IMO be outlawed.
If you need to squeeze off more than 12 rounds to defend yourself in your own house, more bullets isn't going to protect you.

 

True, it is very tough to show beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the bolded part below is pretty convincing...

Similar FBI statistics show total violent crime rates drop once state adopt Right-to-Carry laws. We think these numbers speak for themselves.” Rep. Heath Shuler (D) North Carolina
Rep. Cliff Stearns (R) Florida

 

It is not hard to infultrate my crib I dont live inside of a prison. It is not likely I will need more than 12 rounds. Most people will leave after they hear the sound of a shotgun being cocked therefore I probably won't need to shoot at all, and if they don't oh well. One shot=an ounce of hot lead from a 12guage. I am sure that will do the trick.

 

Oh yeah? How many rounds did this homeowner need...:-?

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Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

 

Virginia has about 283,000 residents who have right to carry permits. Virginia has been a concealed carry state since the law was amended in 1992.

Here's a table that shows violent crime rates in Virginia since 1960.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/vacrime.htm
If you can show the concealed carry law has had any impact on violent crime numbers over the last two decades in the state, be my guest.

 

finally someone else gets it

lots of these guys really need help and until we find a better way to mend broken minds, we're going to get crazy shit like this with or without guns

thankfully with the surge of PTSD from returning veterans, mental health has received more attention and less stigma. sad that it had to happen that way, but more light needed to be shed on mental illness along with learning how to protect and prevent stuff.