25 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

yeah, "criminally insane" isnt the word! This situation goes far beyond that. Adam Lanza's gotta' be short in the mental capacity......somewhere.

 

Lets be honest fam. Crime has gone because of gentrification pushing poor people who might have been criminals out as well as a bigher police presence in newly gentrified areas as well as locking up young men in record numbers on bs gun charges. Bottom line is if people want illegal guns theyre gonna get them especially with ports as vast as NY's

 

Truth.

 

EXACTLY!

 

So whats your solution. We can agree its all messed up but whats the solution?
In the case of angry assholes fucking with coworkers after theyve been fired just have security with carry licenses. That would deter a lot of shit

 

EXACTLY

 

And the following week an NFL player killed a team mate while drunk-driving. Where was Bob's booze and driving rant? To help quote Bob since Jason Whitlock ignored it too... 'had Josh Brent not drank, or not drank and drove, Jerry Brown would still be alive today'. But it never came and he never said it. Just a poo-poo commentary on why didn't he get a driver.

 

And theres the hypocrisy my friend. Well made point

 

That is crazy as fuck but I have seen and heard these stories too many times where ignorant arguments are settled by guns.

I saw a gun for the first time in my life like a couple of days after I came to America and was living in Crown Heights Brooklyn in 1992. Some thug was chasing someone with his piece in his hand in broad daylight pursuing this individual. Few days later my aunt heard from her friends that that same thug was dead.

I think that kind of tells the society we are in though, where our only means to feel safe is to have our own piece on us.

That doesn't sound like a safe society at all, but one filled with violence.

It might be more telling about the violent nature of American society that in order to feel safe one has to have their own firearms.

Guns are so saturated in our society that it is past the point of Pandora's box being opened.

We just have to accept we live in a violent society where a gun is a necessary evil I suppose.

 

Was going to post about the tragedy, but nevermind....

You guys continue your gun control debate.

 

LOL, hey I hear you babe.

I fully realize that despite everything I stated, it is what it is in our society.

Things will not change in regards to gun ownership no matter how sad we may feel at the incident like what happened yesterday.

Its become an intrinsic part of our society.

I was robbed a couple of times in my lifetime as a teen and I thought to myself I would love to have had a gun to blow the two bit, criminal, thieving lowlife, piece of shit's head clean off of his neck for serving no good in society other than to be a pathetic criminal.

 

But, keep in mind drinking and driving is a crime, owning a firearm isn't unless it is illegal. I have not heard anyone mention if Belcher's weapon was illegal or legal.

The very moment that you are over the legal limit and step behind a wheel it is a criminal offense under the law, no ifs ands or buts.

TDK asked well what is the solution, well to be honest if I knew I would tell you the meaning of life as well bro.

Since Americans don't trust giving up their guns and we live in a nation that has a high level of violence, the end result is more and more tragedies.

 

But when it is drunk driving no one says to stop drinking an action that serves no purpose other than to make us unhealthy btw

 

See GQ, the guy being chased...needed a gun.

Safer, I would think it would be. Private Gun ownership has risen, crime has decreased. Correlation?

BTW, it's not that American society in general is violent in nature -- afterall there are aprox. 300 million guns in private possession (source cnn.com) and as we see, 99% of these gun owners are law-abiding non-violent citizens who are only reacting by being pro-active, to the small fringe element that have given America it's violent reputation.

Just need to keep the violence attribute in perspective...Stalin's and Mao ZeDong's societies were violent where they killed hundreds of millions of unarmed citizens. Hitler we don't even have to mention. We are essentially a non-violent society with a high gun ownership. Now perceptions are another thing all together.

Check this 2007 stat out on private gun ownership per 100 people...

United States 89
Serbia 58
Yemen 55
Switzerland 46

yet...
"The United States does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 firearm murders per 100,000 people
• Puerto Rico tops the world's table for firearms murders as a percentage of all homicides - 94.8%. It's followed by Sierra Leone in Africa and Saint Kitts and Nevis in the Caribbean"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list


Which proves by-and-large that current Americans are more of a 'just-in-case' society.

 

LOL, America tried the whole prohibition thing, didn't work out so well.

Also its not the drinking part but the driving part that becomes criminal once the person chooses to drive drunk.

The one recurring theme we keep hearing after these tragedies is people saying they never thought it would happen here, they are away from the big cities and its problems, etc.

 

Jordan, you wanted specific examples:

Here's one for you: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/burglar-calls-911-himself-163618126.html

There's an example of what gun ownership SHOULD be.

All of you who are calling for taking guns away should watch the movie "We Need To Talk About Kevin". That movie will stick with you and brings up many interesting points about tragedies such as this.

Every time a tragedy happens and the media interviews people who knew the perpetrator, time and time again you hear the phrase "a history of mental illness" being tossed around.

When they interview neighbors of serial killers, those neighbors never suspected a thing. They always say how "nice" that person was and how shocked they are to learn they have bodies in their basement.

The point is: people should be concentrating on the "history of mental illness" and not the guns. People should stop seeing only what they want to see and stop living in denial of the people they love who have shown signs that something is very, very wrong with them.

There are always signs. Always. Yet people choose to live in denial until something horrible happens.

There needs to be changes in how we treat people who are mentally ill in this country. THOSE are the majority of people who are behind tragedies like what happened yesterday.

I could start judging the mother and asking why, if she had a son with a "history of mental illness" living with her, she would own guns. But we don't know the whole story. And we'll never know the whole story. She may have had those guns to protect herself from her son. Who knows?

I'm just tired of seeing the phrase "history of mental illness" being tossed around whenever something like this happens. Yet time and again people with a "history of mental illness" are allowed to do stuff like this.

We need a serious talk about mental health in this country - not more gun laws.

 

And I can also go to Google and come up with dozens upon dozens of stories of people who have used swords and knives to wreak havoc on people throughout the last century and before.

 

Why is the USA known for the worst things?

These numbers and surveys are on the older side. But the numbers show how the rest of the world could view us as they do. Violent and stupid. Since our priorities are so in order.

A 2007 survey by the U.N's Office on Drugs and Crime found that the United States, which has 5% of the world's population, owns 50% of the world's guns.


The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report found
The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.

A study published in the Injury Prevention Journal, based on a 2004 National Firearms Survey, found that 20% of the gun owners with the most firearms possessed about 65% of the nation's guns.

CNN.com
Pulled this off an app and apps never link to the URL after they load.
The results of the poll say that the decline directly related to the fact that most gun ownership is maintained by older white men, who are now dying.
Hopefully the larger majority of non-gun owning Americans will continue to grow.

 

No I don't want a movie. I want bliss or others who own guns here to give specific examples where they had to use their firearm to save their own life. People act like they can't live unless they have a gun. Let's hear examples. Not of the crazies who steal someones gun like yesterday.

I want to hear........I was riding the #9 bus to work and someone tried to rob me. Good thing I had my gun or I would be dead. I mean not one thing has ever happened in my life where I can say I wish I loved guns and had one or I would not survive. Why do you NEED a gun to survive in this country? I don't and I haven't. Why are people fighting tooth and nail over what to me isn't really needed. I want specific stories no if and buts and I woulda or shoulda or I may. I mean real stories that happened where someone here figthing had to pull out their gun. And go...........

 

Or how about all of the stuff that did not happen because we have guns, like the KKK did not burn a cross in my yard today because they know black people have guns now. Or how the idea of gun control in this country was based on racism in the first place. Or how the thugs never disrespected my grandmothers house because they knew my Dad had guns. Or perhaps some of the benefits you enjoy are due to the possibility that a murderer may be thinking you have a gun your home. Or how about you place a sign in your yard saying that you are against guns and you don't own one, then we may have a basis for comparison. Nuclear weapons are beneficial to this country not because we are quick to use them, but simply because we have them, so there.