Romney speaks the truth (sparks outrage)

They don't want to admit it. They ignore that he raised taxes more than any other president in the last 30 years yet dems are tax spend fanatics. I've come to the point where I see that dialogue between us impossible. They hate anything having to do with facts and they only care about themselves. I have yet to see or hear of a Democrat who draws a line in the sand and plays this us vs them bullshit. We're all Americans, we ALL pay taxes in one way or another. Instead of trying to create some kind of social/economic civil war why not work on bringing us together. They refuse to compromise. It's there way or no way like a bunch of little children and like little children they ignore facts in favor of fairy tales and flat out lies. Only difference is children aren't expected to lead and make decisions that affects the lives of everyone.
They are completely responsible for holding this country back on almost every level. Yes most politicians are corrupt and paid parrots for corporations but at least Dems try to get a little something for the people they serve and as far as voters Republicans are hypocritical delusional people who don't know shit about what they stand for. Its always tired talking points with those people. No facts, no logic, just rehearsed baseless drivel from Fox.

 

Case closed..


The Truth-O-Meter Says:
The "48, 49 percent" that supports President Barack Obama are "people who pay no income tax."

Mitt Romney on Thursday, May 17th, 2012 in a surreptitiously recorded speech to donors at a fundraiser

Mitt Romney says voters who support Barack Obama are “people who pay no income tax”

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This is an excerpt from a video leaked to the liberal magazine Mother Jones in which Mitt Romney explains his views on who in the United States pays taxes and who they may vote for this fall.


A surreptitiously recorded video of Mitt Romney speaking at a fundraiser stirred up the presidential race on Sept. 17, 2012. The video showed Romney saying that 47 percent of the American public are "dependent on government," "believe that they are victims" and "believe the government has a responsibility to care for them."

Romney also claimed that the 47 percent of Americans who don't pay federal income taxes are strong Obama supporters because they are so dependent on government benefits that Obama freely provides.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said, according to the video leaked to the liberal magazine Mother Jones. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.

"And I mean the president starts out with 48, 49 percent … he starts off with a huge number," Romney continued. "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the five to 10 percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful...."

Almost immediately after the video hit the news, we received a flood of requests from readers asking us to check Romney’s claims.

In this item, we’ll look at whether the "48, 49 percent" that supports President Barack Obama are "people who pay no income tax."

We should note that Romney, during a hastily called news conference in California, called his comments "not elegantly stated," but he didn’t backtrack from their substance. What he said is "a message which I'm going to carry and continue to carry, which is, look, the president's approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes, because, frankly, my discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. And therefore, I'm not likely to draw them into my campaign...."

In this item, we'll look at who pays taxes -- and who doesn't. Then we'll look at whether Obama supporters and Americans who don’t pay taxes are one and the same

Who pays taxes

Romney’s figure is close to one from the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center, which found that 46 percent of tax filers pay no income tax, vs. about 54 percent of tax filers that did have some federal income tax liability. Generally speaking, the groups most likely to have no tax liability are the elderly and the poor.

Anti-tax Republicans tend to focus on the federal income tax burden because it helps make their case that the federal income tax burden falls disproportionately on the wealthy. Because there is a solid basis for this number, we’ve rated it True in the past -- at least when it is described correctly.

That qualifier is important. While the 46 percent figure refers to federal income tax, federal income tax is not the only tax that Americans pay. It’s not even the only federal tax people pay. An additional 28 percent will at least pay federal payroll taxes, which funds Social Security and Medicare and is deducted from every working American’s paycheck. Most of the rest are the poor and elderly.

So, Romney would have been right if he said about 47 percent of all Americans don't pay federal income taxes. But he went further, arguing that those 47 percent of Americans who don’t pay federal income taxes are essentially all Obama supporters. And the facts don't back him up.

Obama supporters

It's tricky to compare taxpaying status with presidential preferences, but there are enough data points that we can poke some significant holes in Romney’s argument.

• Income levels. We compared Tax Policy Center data with a recent CBS News-New York Times poll.

Among households with below $50,000 in income, 68 percent owed no federal income taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center. The poll showed Obama led in this group, 58 percent to 37 percent.

For households between $50,000 and $100,000, 11 percent owed no federal income taxes. Romney led in this group, 50 percent to 47 percent.

And for households above $100,000, 2 percent owed no federal income taxes. Romney led in this category, 57 percent to 41 percent

So there’s a modest correlation between the likelihood of not paying income taxes and the likelihood of supporting Obama. But Romney vastly overstates the link. Obama has substantial support among households $100,000 and up, and virtually all of them pay income taxes.

Put another way, Obama is expected to win millions of votes from people who do pay federal income taxes, and Romney is expected to win millions of votes from people who do not pay federal income taxes.

• Senior citizens. Romney gets strong support from seniors. He led in the CBS-New York Times poll by a 53 percent to 38 percent margin, and a CNN and Opinion Research Corp. poll from around the same time had Romney leading among senior by a 53 percent to 45 percent margin.

Yet being a senior is one of the biggest reasons an American would pay no federal income taxes. Among those who saw tax breaks wipe out their income-tax liability, nearly half benefited from a tax break targeted at senior citizens.

• State by state data. The Tax Foundation has found some state-by-state patterns that are problematic for Romney’s claim.

The foundation tallied the states that had the highest percentages of non-income-tax-paying residents. The 10 states with the highest rates of non-tax-payers are mostly ones that Romney has in the bag -- Texas, Idaho, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina. And several states with the lowest rates are solidly in Obama’s camp, including Minnesota, Maryland and Massachusetts.

Our ruling

Romney said that the "48, 49 percent" that supports President Barack Obama are "people who pay no income tax."

But the polls and income tax data don't back this up. Obama gets substantial support from people earning more than $50,000 -- and 90 percent of them, or more, do pay taxes. And Romney gets lots of support from seniors, many of whom have no income tax liability. We rate the claim False.

 

lets no forget all the veterans who he through under the bus because they get SSN and the veteran socialistic national healthcare

 

It's amazing how having a Black President in office has brought out peoples true colors on the issue of race in this country.

It's also amazing how the Republican's have convinced millions of people to go against programs and policies that will help and benefit them.

 

It just shows why politics is a meandering path of horse shit every step of the way.

 

If it weren't for certain politicians you wouldn't be able to work here or date the women you love fam.
Everyone isn't evil kid

 

LOL, guess they serve some purpose.

I'm just pretty cynical of them as a whole knowing where the real power lies. Large corporate influence.

I mean look at the folks Romney was speaking to $50,000 a plate fundraising dinner.

Now you see why I'm leery of politics.

You feel there are some good politicians, I feel the only good politician is one who hasn't been elected to office yet. :smt043:smt043:smt043

 

I think its a case of building houses and tearing them down. Something being built takes a long time and usually goes unnoticed. The planning and the hard work goes on underneath our noses until one day "oh wow look at that house" as if it just suddenly appeared out of no where but tearing one down is noisy and draws a lot of attention so its easy to notice all the shitty things but takes a little effort to see all the people fighting for something better. The news doesn't cover them and most of us are too lazy and complacent to research them.
I don't know if you watch Real Time with Bill Maher but they always have some amazing Representitives and City Council people who are making an honest effort.
Something to think about fam.

 

Romney can get onstage tomorrow and say "He will appoint Yosemite Sam as his future Secretary of Defence" and registered Republicans will still vote for him.

Romney is running on a GOP platform of "Anybody but Obama".

Romney ain't stupid, he knows and his advisors know that with Obama in the White House, they can mouth off about anything.

I'am still waiting for somebody to slip up and call Obama a "nigger" on national TV.

 

Sleep harder

 

You rock.

 

keep waiting

 

You act like that would be a hard thing to do. Considering some of the racially veiled things that some of these dumb asses have been caught saying on tape/video already it's just a matter of time. Because ego is a motherfucker. And you're a prime example of that fact.....

 

Santorum sounded like he almost let it slip that one time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egtaV6Pj8y

 

Oh, I'm certain that more than one of these simpletons have let slip with that particular slur and other derogatory slurs about various racial/ethnic groups when in the presence and what they think safety of other liked minded individuals when having discussions on how to get back "the real America". They've just been lucky enough not to have it caught on tape or video. Not yet at least. This incident with Romney should be a wake up call for all public figures, especially those running for office, but I highly doubt any of them will wise up however.

 

shocking

 

I was wondering when someone was going to post this. What really bothered me about this whole incident is that I had to find out about on one of HuffPo's foreign websites...and even then I almost missed. For all the bullshit conservatives like to spin about the "liberal media," I can't recall any American news outlet that even touched this story.

If you listen to Santorum's tone, inflection, etc., there's no way he was going to say anything else. It's not really a coincidence that he dropped out of the race shortly after that tape surfaced.

 

Final sign of the Apocalypse right here. Hope you guys are locked and loaded its gonna be one hell of a night