voter suppression laws--via the GOP

You thought wrong then. All states have their own laws regarding felons and voting, but they also give some leeway and openings for everyone, including those with greater restrictions the chance to vote when certain conditions are met.

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286​

Actually, unless you're dyslexic and see imaginary numbers, then yes voter fraud it's a small number. But since you're ignoring this, I would only assume you've ignored the link I've presented, so I'll take snippets of it to give you the actual numbers.

Lastly, the only times I would have to show my ID (which is rare) are only when I want to buy a lottery ticket or to vote. Granted, I have the luxury of having one, but I can't say the same for everyone and given this is the election cycle, combined with the fact that voter fraud is VERY small, there's no need to enact greater restrictions. Again, a political agenda that is unwarranted.

Below should give you a better analysis since you missed or failed to read this article.

http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/​

Again, if this were something to be tackled, this would have been considered a decade or so ago. But no. This is not the case.

 

Why do you keep ignoring the basic question. Why do you have a problem showing your ID? You're only harping on this because Obama and the Dems have told you to. If Obama came out and said we're going to require people to show ID's...this is a non-issue. You guys make me laugh...

 

Mr. Wilson here is a flaw in your simply show ID plan. If someone is indeed so foul and desperate to commit voter fraud using someone else's identity as you seem to think, what's to stop them from using professionally crafted photo ID in order to do this? How do you go about preventing that from happening?

 

I answered that question, but you, the selective fool, decided to disregard it because it's not something you want to hear. I've provided information contrary to your nonsense and you ignore it. I'll reiterate and rephrase so it would be simple for you to comprehend:

"Why is voter fraud a big deal now when the cases are isolated and marginal?"

I never said I had a problem showing my ID, as I have been doing that for the past few years. However, what I do take issue with is that this situation is completely unfounded and unreasonable especially when we're talking about the political season. You're making any excuse to dodge this question and when you answer, the reasons are generally half-assed and lacking any merit.

 

Voter ID laws disproportionately affect minorities and the poor, who by wide majorities tend to vote democratic. That's what this who clusterfuck is about.

 

ID scanners at the voting booths can detect whether its real or fake

 

But that's the point. They're basically saying they don't deserve to vote because well they're minorities and they're poor. So why give a fuck anyway.

 

My argument was that why are you choosing not to ask for ID because the number of cases are marginal. That's why I said "Why do we ask underage looking kids to show ID before buying alcohol?" The number of underage DUI related deaths may not be a large number, but isn't any death significant.

Instead of sweeping it under the rug, shouldn't we always be trying to make the system better and void of any fraud. But I guess you're fine with a little fraud if it benefits your candidate.

 

The law does not say if you're poor or a minority to show ID. It says everyone must show ID. If you value the election and your vote, you will take the time to go get an ID at DMV. It is not that difficult.

 

How is it sweeping under the rug when the voter fraud system is significantly marginal? You can't compress anything to zero, but you can diminish the number of fraudulent cases and currently, the voting system isn't as rigged or as widespread. The numbers are small which means, it's doing something right.

Now, you would have a case if we're talking about more than 20-30% of cases being problematic every election cycle, but no...no regard of that.

Quit dodging.

 

So states are to invest all this money & technology into preventing possible voter fraud but not in the basic welfare of the state or it's citizens such as infrastructure and schools? Fighting voter fraud is priority? Interesting.

 

It's not "The Law". It's recently implemented law in some states. Implemented with a specific purpose. Period.

 

Eliminating voter fraud isn't a priority for you because it will benefit your candidate. But check the number of underage DUI related deaths in that state and see if they would remove the requirement of store clerks looking at ID.

My point is that showing ID sounds good to me, regardless of which party initiated it. I have no problem showing my ID, casting my vote, and leaving. This doesn't affect the poor or minorities. It affects all the lazy people who don't take the time to get an ID even with election 2 months away. Period.

 

Sir, unlike you I don't have a "candidate". I'm not that invested in a singular political ideology as you seem to be and therefore your arguments and the logic you are using make no sense to me in anyway. Both parties are majorly flawed in my opinion, so you need to try a different road other the one you are currently using to get me to see the benefit of what you are advocating in regards to voter ID. Thank You. SMDH.

 

Stand for something or fall for anything.

Of course both parties are flawed. To not invest yourself in any political ideology because of that seems a little crazy, but to each his own.

I don't have to convince you. You can vote or not, but I will show up with ID and cast my vote. Because showing ID is not that big of a deal to me.

 

Where did I say I stand for nothing and where did I state I would not vote? And even if I did in fact had stated either opinion your point is?

 

My problem with the voter ID stuff is the timing. When you start making or informing people of changes in the voting requirements it spells mischief. There have been cases highlighted where legitimate voter are being purged from the voting rolls. Some of those voters have voted since the 1970's and are now older but will be required to go through bureaucracy in order to get picture ID's.

Generally their will be a significant percentage of people suppressed from voting than the statistically miniscule that may commit voter fraud. That is the main problem with this policies from the Republican states.

 

Would you please stop comparing the impact of selling alcohol to underaged teens who then die in car accidents to theoretical voter fraud???:smt120 That's the most asinine analogy I've ever heard.

The amount of voter fraud nationwide is STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT.
Meaning if you did nothing at all to prevent voter fraud, it would NOT impact final election results.
However, if you purge hundreds of thousands from the voter rolls who are completely legal voters but who potentially lack a valid state issued ID, that can and will affect final election results.

Everyone's hip to the game, let's not hide behind the 'integrity' of the law bullshit argument being thrown around by the GOP.

This was a political tactical move hatched by the Republicans to cut into Obama's victory margins in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania.:smt120

This nation is going to have to be dry fucked in the ass by the GOP one more time I'm afraid before they realize that party is about POWER, not leading us anywhere productive for all this country's citizens, not just the well connected and the affluent.

 

JW,you hit this on the head. This voter suppression is only to stop minorities,elderly,and students who want to vote. The excuse of voter fraud is a full crock. There are organiztions of stopping Blacks and others from voting. Rachel Maddow did some reports on this as recently as two nights ago.

 

Why do people keep saying minorities/poor/elderly wont be able to vote? Don't they have pic ID's?

Serious question.