I told myself I was gonna stay outta this thread before it reaches 25 pages by this evening and turns into "another" senseless beef thread. However I don't believe that a life should be wrongly taken under any circumstances, whether it's inside the womb or not. I do believe wholeheartedly in a woman’s right to choose what to do with her own body. I don’t think that anyone is 100% for abortion, but to force any woman to carry a child that she didn’t choose to conceive is just flat-out wrong. What I don’t get is how the right-wing is always talking about less government but in the same sentence they have no problem with getting in between a woman and her uterus. Bottom line: it’s her body so it should be her choice and only her decision to live with that choice for the rest of her life. And it’s up to us [society] to not judge her for the choice that she made.
Does not follow. You told me to shut up and sit the F down. Classless. Then you try to apply my language in a different sense in order to bolster your point, and failed spectacularly. Either way my stance remains. I think most cases of abortion are murder and that the people who cosign this behavior are also cosigning murder. Unfortunately through my tax dollars I am also cosigning this murder and THIS IS WHAT UPSETS ME THE MOST. . The founder of Planned Parenthood was a hard core eugenicist. Their real mission is to destroy the black race by sterilization and abortion. I refuse to personally attack you.I will not shoeshine the pro abortion lobby which by the way has its roots in pro white eugenics concepts. Here is some knowledge for your dome. Margaret Sanger Founder of Planned Parenthood In Her Own Words "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923) On blacks, immigrants and indigents: "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people On sterilization & racial purification: Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech. On the right of married couples to bear children: Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932 On the purpose of birth control: The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2) On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities: "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12 I will not support this mentality. I will not support the extermination of my people. You pro abortion crowd have been sold a bill of goods.
Abortions in general are being made before there is any life. You need to re-read biology. BUT, you just showed your real agenda (that took all but a few posts). And is garbage, the statistics on that has been posted here again and again. You are ill educated on the matter - just regurgitating untrue garbage. Lets see how long you last. Ps - use paragraphs if you want people to read your crap. PPS - Are you serious?? Using quotes from 1920s for your argument on today's Planned Parenthood?? Yeah, THAT will help your cause. LMFWAO!
No one is disputing you're right to have a difference of opinion just your logic. Like saying abortion is being used to sterilize the black race is a farce. Even if there were some truth to that do you think we as a group need more unwanted children who can't be cared for? Its not like people are being shuffled off at gun point, they're making the best decision for their situation. As someone who appear to be conservative I would think you'd be for anything that cut down on social welfare.
So you agree with Sanger, the FOUNDER OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD, that we need less of the dark races and poor in the world. Color me surprised. I have been lurking here for years and always though of you as pro black and pro human being. Oh well. And by the way I am no conservative. I voted for Kerry, Obama, and will vote for Obama again. Its on this issue and gay marriage I don't agree with the dems. That is pretty much it.
Where human life beings is still being debated, so looking through Bio texts is not going to change my opinion on this. For people who feel as I do human life begins at conception. For people who support the pro abortion lobby, life begins whenever it is convenient for them. They cant say life begins at conception because that would define them as killers so they call a young fetus nothing but a mass of tissues with some potential for life and treat it as a parasitic organism to the mother in order to dehumanize it. Make it easier when they are sucking the poor thing our and snapping its neck.
Actually, its not being debated in the scientific community. Its been clear for a long time. Pro-lifers argument is different. A cluster of cells is not life scientifically - religiously, sure it can be. So now its a conspiracy that Science say its no life before a heartbeat? Seriously, science is NOT concerned with religion, that is why its called "science" hello. They go purely on what defines life, period. Not religious or philosophical doctrines. Thus, a cluster of cells, are just that, in science - as long as it does not have a heartbeat, it can not be alive. I don't oppose your beliefs on that, but you discussing pain, which a cluster of cells clearly can not feel. If you would have stayed with a religious belief that as soon as conception has occurred.. etc. I would have been fine with that. But now, you accuse science for conspiracy as well, that makes no sense. Hence, you don't understand what science actually means. And you continued with "snapping necks)-->: It doesn't HAVE a neck to be snapped when when the vast majority of abortions are being done. But I am done with you, you make no sense. You should have stopped while you were ahead (like, say, with your first post).
Do you know at what month a human fetus has grown a skeleton?? You're talking out of your ass, no offense. No one is 'pro abortion' so quit with the slur. However we're supposed to live in a free society, and the last time I checked babies were born from the womb of women. First trimester, her body...her choice.
I actually agree with every piece of literature on sustainability that states the world is over populated and we don't need more people populating the earth. Whether they be "dark" "light" or whatever. Sanger sounded misguided and flat out wrong. The best amongst can come from the humblest of beginnings.
Hypothetically speaking... If I was raped and found out I was pregnant, I'd get an abortion. If abortions weren't legal I'd probably try everything I could to lose it. If I willingly had sex with someone and became pregnant... I'd keep then (I also believe that in a committed relationship the decision should not be solely the woman's. Her partner should have a say in it as well) To me, it's all about the mindset itself. Pregnant from rape... not only do you have to deal with the rape itself, pregnancy makes it a whole other ball game. Abortion, people say? So what? Pregnancy takes a toil on the body and even after a child is sent away for adoption, the body would (probably) never really be the same. I think it makes it different because consensual sex, the woman have the ability to make her own decisions. If raped, she cannot make the same decisions on safe sex.
You are right in a sense but wrong in another. Is a single celled organism a life form? At 21 days an embryo already has a heartbeat. This is life enough for me.
You do realize the whole black race extermination was taken way out of context. Why would she hire an All African-American staff in the streets of Harlem in one the first few Planned Parenthood facilities? Yes, she was a colorist in the scheme of things (hey, so were light-skinned blacks), but she also didn't tolerate bigotry in the workplace and wanted people in interracial facilities to work together. Even MLK and W.E.B. DuBois supported her. Plus, it's a poor man's idea to assume that blacks are being aborted at a high pace. Last I recall, all groups, except for whites has seen growth in population by race. So no need to scare people off with misinformation and lies. You're free to not exercise the right to choose. But don't limit the individual rights of others and make their lives all the more miserable.
There you go with that Margaret Sanger thing. Does anyone in the right knows she hanged with Barry Goldwater's wife in Arizona. Has anyone from the right was concerned with the health of Blacks? No they have not because once Blacks having more babies the right accouse them of getting more welfare. Planned Parenthood helps women of all races and the conservatives want Big Government on the vajayjays of females in the country.
Oh and I want to add...Sanger was against abortions. Sanger's family planning advocacy always focused on contraception, rather than abortion.[106][note 10] It was not until the mid-1960s, after Sanger's death, that the reproductive rights movement expanded its scope to include abortion rights as well as contraception.[note 11] Sanger was opposed to abortions, both because they were dangerous for the mother in the early 20th century and because she believed that life should not be terminated after conception. In her book Woman and the New Race, she wrote, "while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."[109] Historian Rodger Streitmatter concluded that Sanger's opposition to abortion stemmed from concerns for the dangers to the mother, rather than moral concerns.[110] However, in her 1938 autobiography, Sanger noted that her opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: "[In 1916] we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."[111] And in her book Family Limitation, Sanger wrote that "no one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions."[112]
Margaret Sanger Founder of Planned Parenthood In Her Own Words "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923) Did she or did she not say this? End of discussion.
Are you trying to be a tard or just appear that way. Here is their current mission statement. Not some quote from 80 years ago. Jaysus. Why are you guys getting into that??!! http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/vision-4837.htm
The republican party claims to be inclusive but their track record over the past 50 years shows otherwise. Similarly ,I don't care about Planned Parenthood's current PC mission statement. I am talking about the founder and her main concept of eugenics. This isn't a civil rights issue, this is a lets justify killing black babies issue. The pro abortion lobby has twisted this into a civil rights issue.
Just listened to a piece on KFI where they discussed this. Apparently, this view that 'the female body have ways of shutting down "that stuff" if it is a legitimate rape' is something a large group of pro lifers believe. I dont know if its something new (?). In any regards, that must mean if someone gets pregnant during a rape, it wasn't a legitimate rape... hmm.. sounds eerily similar to the with-hunt theory on how to determine if one was a witch. Ass backwards....
