RE: Gun Control Laws (POLL INCLUDED)

Guns don't kill people, people kill people!​

These words echoes through the minds of many gun-toting enthusiasts and strong second amendment supporters. In the wake of the recent shootings, notably from James Holmes of Colorado, there have been quiet discussions as to whether there should be stricter gun control laws or it should be softened up a bit. Given the diversity of the forums, the issue of gun rights tends to come in many different directions.

The central question in this whole debacle? How do you feel about guns?

Moreover, how far do you think the gun laws should expand? Do you feel college students as young as 18 should be allowed to carry guns around on campus? What about places like bars, theaters, churches, federal facilities, etc...? Why or why not?

All comments are welcomed. Do not be shy, for this should be a nice discussion.

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u cant buy an enormous amount of nyquil but u can get a shit load of guns and ammo to wage war against a third world country from one store and no one says shit

 

I detest guns and cannot understand why they are legal

 

I know you're very peace-mongering, but I want to know exactly your personal thoughts on guns altogether. Why do you have a lot of animosity towards them? What have you witness that gave you such feelings?

 

That's the thing...some liberties and freedoms are protected, but others? Not so much. The concept we believe in is just an illusion.

 

In order:
I own a gun to protect myself from a home invasion.
I own a gun to protect myself from extreme and continuous battery from any individual in my home, regardless of who they are.

I have absolutely no protection from an intruder who is stronger than me. Yes, my gun may be used against me by an intruder, but I have a fighting chance if I hear them.
No way in hell will I sit in terror and utter helplessness as an intruder breaks in or threatens me, or if someone enraged or deranged is beating me up.

 

I've never been around a gun and am thankful that the country that I reside in doesn't have a great number a shooting incidents. I know that whole guns don't kill people, people kill people spiel, but i don't agree with it. It's both the person shooting the gun and the gun itself that is the problem. Remove the gun and I think there would be less killings as going someone with a knife takes a lot more balls than just pulling a trigger. Attacking someone with your fists evens out the playing field...

 

I am also voted for greater restrictions, in that there be tighter control of who has guns, how many, and mandatory registrations - those gun shows and internet purchase loopholes need to be monitored...ugh, all of it needs an overhaul.

I go through more paperwork and study and Q & A when getting my DL, registering my care or applying for car insurance.

 

My feelings towards gun ownership is a bit of a mix bag. But I'll elaborate on my thoughts later on in this thread, but to respond to your post...

You're definitely correct that the art of defending yourself with your fists is very much lost nowadays. In the US, there's a huge over-reliance of guns as a means of protecting oneself, even at close-range and to me, it just shows that there's a lost of survival-ism in exchange for metal with some range advantage.

Compiled with politics, there's always a major burden especially when dealing with political complications like race and guns and what have you.

 

I come from a family of people who are ex-military and hunters so Ive been around guns. Years ago my father and uncles took me and my cousins shooting at targets. When it was my turn, I fired three shots (missed the bulls eye by a mile) after shooting I remember holding the gun while thinking how creepy it was that I held the ability to take a person life with just a simple squeeze of my finger. After that, all the guns Ive fired have been strictly of the video game variety.

As for other people with guns. The problem is that the cats out of the bag. effective gun control is impossible in this country (United States). Guns are as part of the lexicon as the English language itself. Trying to restrict guns to some people is like asking them to give up one of there kids.

People act like the founding fathers were divine when the came up with the concept for the right to bare arms. Well their only real reason was because they had little resources to mount a military response if the young nation was attacked, so they were counting on the citizenry to act as militia and defend the country at their own door steps. The framers of the rights could never have imagined that we would be facing domestic violence on the level we are today, and that legally purchased guns would be used to cause this much pain against innocent people.

And anybody who thinks that an armed citizenry "keeps the government honest" is living in a fantasy world. When was the last time a group of citizens fought against the government because of something they didn't agree with? It was the Civil War and The Government won. They won with cannon balls bayonets and muskets. They now have billion dollar smart bombs and Predator drones. So I doubt that your 9mm is keeping Uncle Sam up at night.

 

That's an incredible post and back story. So, you're suggesting that the idea of the right to bear arms was just for a short term purpose? It does get you wondering about human beings and their love for guns.

 

I grew up around guns. I grew up going to shooting ranges and shooting rifles and occasionally skeet shooting. As I got older, I shot my brother's handguns a few times.

I'm not afraid of holding a gun, or of using it, if the need arises. However, I do not have an FOID card, nor do I own a gun (since that would be illegal without a card), but I believe in my right (and other law-abiding citizens' rights) to protect ourselves with a gun.

 

You know all that....from this?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Interesting....

It may not keep U/Sam up, but it lets me sleep soundly at night. :yawinkle:

 

I believe that the spirit of the right to bare arms, was to make the citizens feel safe, and to that end I agree with it. But in our modern era I believe the relatively easy availability to guns, may have begun to become counterproductive to our safety and security.

The times in which the bill of rights was written, were times of little community security. Their wasn't a 911 to call, their wasn't even a full standing military. I will admit that the wording written in that document makes having arms seem noble and patriotic. However, like I said before, the notion of the citizens using their weapons of "defense" to terrorize each other, never occurred to the founding fathers. I consider myself a realist, so I am aware that guns will always have a place in an imperfect world. I just simply question if the escalation of arms is making us safer.

 

I think guns should be kept legal.

 

Interestingly, I read this stat below...sounds like there's a '1%ers' stockpiling going on.

Also, paradoxically, it appears de-esculation is occurring, minimal as it may be (particularity when one factors the surge in assault-weapon purchases before the POTUS took office).

 

Yelp:smt066:smt067:smt068:smt071:smt072

 

I think guns laws should be tighter. Personally, I have gun(s), I like to fire off ALL my guns. Lol. I will not be caught slippin if one of these fools run in my crib. These days it's needed. BUT,, it's a double edge sword. Some people get "big nuts" when they have a gun. It's easier to use bad judgment, and face the big bad wolf with a gun oppose to just walking away. So it's kinda a problem either way you look at it IMO.

 

I am against guns.

There are many countries you can buy a gun, legally. Switzerland is one of them, but I was never afraid to go anywhere at any time.
A gun helps you to protect yourself and your beloved ones- maybe, but someone else can also shoot you from far away, even, if you run and he can shoot many people within a few seconds, what wouldn't be possible, would that person have to use a knife or his own hands..
I think the real enemy isn't the gun, it's aggression, frustration, social problems and fear of guns in wrong hands.

 

You have a point. By the way, pretty avi pic.