Why men aren't pandering to women anymore.

It's like women who don't like assholes but can't seem to stop getting with them. Also to many have unreasonable expectations. Seriously it's like all women think they deserve a tall good looking guy with a dick made of chocolate that ejaculates money. When they themselves are nothing special.

 

While I agree with you in the second highlighted portion I have to say as far as the first one you can't pull the "way its always been" card especially amongst people who scream equality and equal pay at every turn. You can't demand equality and want fair equity in a relationship if you presume that I'll carry the majority of the financial burden.
I have to ask where you're from because maybe there isn't an abundance of professional men there like there is in NY but women in this area generally want to marry up. Not at their level but far above their own socio-economic status. Every wedding that I've been to thus far, excluding the ones with family money, the woman usually makes 75% to half 25% of what their new spouse makes. Its a very common trend here. So while nurses in your area aren't only available to doctors up here they are or someone of his ilk like a lawyer, engineer, or someone in finance.

As far as dudes who would rather play video games than fuck their women what exactly is wrong with that? Definitely not all the time but I think men like women have moods and aren't always down for sex. It takes less energy to jerk off and then play the new Call of Duty. Just saying.

Also as far as being MEN, I agree with you but like the woman said in the video(I'm paraphrasing) we now live in an era where we celebrate women and girls but love to make men look like idiots. We are constantly bombarded with images of men who can barely take care of themselves until the "right" woman comes along. It creates the notion that we are insufficient without them not to mention any of the actions fueled by traditional roles is now viewed as oppressive/childish on almost every level. So now one must ask what is acceptable make behavior anymore?
Not saying men aren't without fault but for the purpose of this discussion the kind of men women complain about not being able to commit aren't usually the man children who are afraid of commitment but fail to see the reward in it anymore.

 

Wish I could rep you twice for this

 

There's no doubt that some women dig the asshole, maybe see him as a challenge perhaps. In all fairness though there's plenty of men that complain right here on the boards that they don't want a woman who would rather stay home and raise a bunch of munchkins, yet those very women are getting the most attention right here on the boards, as an example.

(As an aside: I believe that raising good human beings is a tougher job than any outside the home and women/men that stay home and do that have my respect.)

So it goes both ways which I guess is stating the obvious. I won't add more because TDK especially, knows how I feel about this topic...

 

Sure do and I love that you a forum favorite now lives in the city and can actually confirm a lot of what I'm saying. I know a lot of the folks here thought I was making shit up lol.

Btw I know people who served in the Middle East for 18 month tours would definitely argue that staying at home with your kids is not tougher than any out of the house job lol.

 

Good point TDK, you're right about the military service. But I do think raising children is an underappreciated art.

And you're also right that NY folks seem to be a special breed.

 

I live in a D.C. suburb.
And since when are nurses so picky???
You have a college degree?? A job/career? Your own place?? A car?? A savings account?? Possibility for upward career advancement??

For most women, that's the baseline, if all other aspects between them are compatible.

Next you're going to be telling me elementary school teachers ONLY marry professionals who make 3x their salary.

 

In this area pretty much. I just go by what I see and by what I've experienced dating especially doing online dating. For one most of the women on there were teachers and social workers and when I went out with them the vast majority expressed the really wanted to stay home and have kids.
To accommodate that their spouse would half to make at least twice as much as they do especially since women don't commonly want to go back to work until the child is school age.
In NY most women aren't looking for love they're husband shopping there's a difference. They will not sacrifice comfort and life style. That's important above all else. I'd suspect from what I know of DC that its pretty common there too.
I think the major lesson the Women's Lib movement taught us is women want the option to work and very actually want. At least from my generation. That's why they pic professions like teaching where they get 12 weeks off a year or more.
Not saying teachers don't have a hard job but everyone does these days. They're no different except they get six times more vacation than the rest of us. But I digress. Check out that NOVA area and tell me there isn't a common trend there as well. Not saying women are evil or bad for doing this shit but I can see why more men reject the notion of marriage.

 

My Mom = Nurse
MY Dad = Doctor

Exceptions don't set the standard of course, but it's not completely uncommon.

 

You too? Wow, quite a few DC men representing on this forum.

 

yeah, men have been judged by their ability to provide and now that women are trying to play the man role they are :

disrepecting men...(not all women ok) thinking that all men aint shit
then later they realize that money cant keep em warm...then they make the excuse there arent any good men out there because the pool got small.

the problem is that (men and women) dont know why they are dating. are you dating for fun or something serious. when you know then you act accordingly

 

Great post, Andre! :smt023

 

artyman:

Exactly.

Too many people are focused on getting a spouse rather than learning to be one.

 

repped

I've come across soooo many avg looking girls that think they deserve a tall/dark/handsome/rich guy. Their expectations are so unrealistic its clownin.

 

One thing I can give men is no average dude thinks he deserves a really hot chick. Happy as hell if he gets one but I dont see them demanding it like average chicks especially bw

 

HAHAHAHA this motherfucker here!

 

I've posted entirely too much. Time to move on for a little while.

 

And so, once again, it all boils down to looks. This avg chick could be educated, intelligent, emotionally mature & stable, have a rewarding career and a dynamic personality. And the 6'2" gym rat could be dumb as a rock making his money from selling drugs.

I'm an average chick, imo. Give me a guy who, yeah, is tall (I like that) who has a decent body (I like a little extra padding, personally), who has a job that's interesting and that he likes and that pays the bills. But just as important (if not more so) is a sense of humor, a warm & compassionate nature, intelligence, a generous spirit....you get the idea. I think there are more women out there who think like me than not.

 

Yes but they are good and add to the discussion. So keep doing it. :rock:

 

Co-sign. Don't go, Nebs!