Obama campaign office staff lacks diversity

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Iggy, May 7, 2012.

  1. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Assuming you mean the federal income tax rate, Obama has already done just that. He is only seeking (has not yet happened) to raise taxes on the very wealthy, while not taking away any of the tax write-offs that would still exist. The "hide-the-assets tax game" for the rich never goes away, the rules just change.
     
  2. jameswilson1

    jameswilson1 New Member

    - I agree with the stimulus Obama gave to the financial companies which is contrary to most Republicans. I think that particular industry needed to be stabilized. And you're right...I would not say "majority". But I think the Democrats are far more hesitant to discuss those numbers.

    - I realize it would be a political disaster for Obama to say yes to the pipeline and have some environmental consequences, but gas prices are a very real concern for many Americans...me included. As someone who has a daily commute of over 100 miles (50 miles each way)
     
  3. jameswilson1

    jameswilson1 New Member

    But I disagree that a tax on the wealthy is the way to go. I think that is just a way to pander to those voters who are still doing poor financially. He know's the rich derive most of their income from capital gains and this would do nothing to help the economy, but it's a great PR move. The "hide-the-assets game" is a game we all play. Every year I have H&R Block find every deduction and tax credit I can find to lower my bill, this isn't just done by the rich.

    Paul Ryan's budget plan is simple:

    - You can choose to stay under the current tax code or switch to a new easier system without all of the deductions and loopholes. If a married couple earns under $100K, you pay 10%. If a couple earns over 100K, you pay 25%
     
  4. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Tough issue, can be confusing to sort out all of the facts. Ryan's budget plan is interesting but has some problems of it's own.

    http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...ays-100-percent-tax-millionaires-would-only-/

    Obama and Biden's proposal has pro's and con's as well

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...den-says-people-earning-200000-already-pay-3/
     
  5. jameswilson1

    jameswilson1 New Member

    Here is a link to a summary of the Ryan plan. Check it out and let me know what you think. In my opinion it is incredibly aggressive on both ends- cutting taxes and cutting programs. In order to gain more democratic support I would not cut so aggressively on programs and just extend the timeline to reach a balanced budget, but I think Ryan is on the right path.

    http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/summary.htm
     
  6. Frederick

    Frederick Well-Known Member

    The EFFECTIVE tax is among the lowest in the world.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/02/03/418171/corporate-taxes-40-year-low/

    After taking into account the loopholes and subsidies, corporations only pay 12%.
     
  7. Frederick

    Frederick Well-Known Member


    What you call pandering to the poor, I call paying their fair share. The rich and corporations use a disproportionate amount of the commons and they are sherking their responsibility for the upkeep of the country.

    I can tell that you're clueless because you're pimping Ryan's plan. Ryan's budget is garbage, it's just another give away to the rich. It would leave 50 million people uninsured and, according to the CBO, add several trillion dollars to the deficit in the next decade.
     
  8. Morning Star

    Morning Star Well-Known Member

    1. To say Obama's a far-left Democrat is basically calling Ronald Reagan as far-left Republican. And Romney lost his moderate credentials a long time ago. The minute he set foot for a second chance to run for political office, he abandoned any chances of really getting any moderate credentials in any way shape or form. So, in essence, you're listening to gibberish. Obama has been running on platforms that conservatives once favored, such as cap-and-trade.

    2. Optimism and hope is definite need to shape the future, but a message is all one can deliver. There's the ideal vs. the reality and quite frankly, the public still like to create this fictional mindset (which I'm sure you're guilty of) that progress will shortly come. But no. We can deal with pragmatism, but it has its limitations.

    3. Correction. When the Bush Tax Cuts came into place, coupled with the two wars that crippled the nation even further, there has been a loss of jobs from 2001 to 2009. When Obama took office, sure, the first half of the year the numbers were crippling. However, the jobs loss under the previous administration have been gained back. Do not twist the information at all. Obama has done a good deal so far to lower unemployment and gain back the jobs lost from the Bush years.

    4. Lastly, it's a long messy road, but only idiots would be quick to dismiss this president's by creating a fictional scenario. We may still have yet climbed out of the whole completely, but that's the reality of things, especially how expensive everything is. And may I remind you, it's not just the President, but the arrogance and polarizing methods of the current Congress. The legislative branch live too much on principle and less on reality.

    5. Conservative policies are short term solutions that bears little help. Case in point, Reaganomics.

     
  9. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    BigBrother Fucking Wise earning his last name ladies and gents. Excellent post my friend. Rep coming
     
  10. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    I said those Black Republicans would not last more than one term in office. They come and go. The members will not get hook ups in the GOP. The best example Watts and Franks. Where are they? There will never be a long term Black Republican congressman any time in the future. BBW,you hit it on the head on those points and Ryan's plan would make the US more like the UK in heavy cuts on the poor and elderly. One of those cuts are on Meals On Wheels. What type of planet Ryan belongs to? Yes,the planet of millionaires and billionaires.
     
  11. jameswilson1

    jameswilson1 New Member

    Yes, but corporations shouldn't have to go through loopholes and having revenues taxed in foreign countries to lower their tax bill is my point. Since many small business owners have corporations setup, this really only hurts them. If Obama simply lowered the rate, it would help ALL businesses.
     
  12. jameswilson1

    jameswilson1 New Member

    Even if the rich paid 100% of their income it would not make a dent. The pay their "fair share" argument is nothing more than a PR move. The rich already give 45% of their income if they live in a state like California...how much more does he need? How is that sherking their responsibility? And people who praise Warren Buffett don't realize he is just trying to pander for his legacy as this "Billionaire Next Door" nice guy. Because he will still be the 2nd richest man after this is all said and done. I'm not rich, but I hate people blaming the rich for every problem. Don't be envious or jealous of someone's success, not a good look.

    I can tell you've never read Ryan's plan and are one of Obama's mindless cheerleaders. Ryan's Plan does not leave 50 million people uninsured. He plainly states that those on social security 55+ will stay on their current system and those younger can choose to put money into a retirement savings account. Why should I pay into a system that will be extinct by the time I retire? He also states that people can choose their tax code. If they want to stay on the current system they can. Or they can switch to a lower and simpler system which says couples making $100K or less pay 10% and those couples making more than $100K pay 25%.
     
  13. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

    I have a question for the black republicans on the forum.

    During the 2008 election, I distinctly remember the presidential campaign slogan for John McCain & Sarah Palin which happened to be “Country First”. I wasn’t sure exactly what they meant by that and to this very day I’m still unclear as to what it’s true interpretation was.

    Perhaps you all can enlighten me to the meaning and why nobody ever decided to bring it up again?
     
  14. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    TonyS,don't expect them to give you a clear answer to that question.
     
  15. Iggy

    Iggy Banned

    Damn, jameswilson is doing work in this thread. Droppin knowledge left & right up in this biatch.
     
  16. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    The government needs revenue to make timely and necessary investments in human capital and infrastructure. The private sector can't and won't do this.

    Government revenues are the lowest they've been in years. We're witnessing a intellectual/industrial shift in the U.S. economy that demands we re-train existing employees to do the work of the 21st century. Who's going to pay for that??

    The effective tax rate for the 1% in this country is the LOWEST IN THE WORLD.:smt119

    JP Morgan just lost 2B in a huge stock loss and yet U.S. banks are still sitting on capital and refusing to lend to domestic investors. That's why it's so ludicrous for Romney to suggest that a private bank would have guaranteed the auto industry's expenses in a leveraged bankruptcy.

    No they wouldn't have. The lender of last resort was and still is the federal government.

    It's really simple; to grow the economy we need workers who are skilled in the fields that need more employees. Putting more cash in the pockets of those already flushed with money didn't grow the economy during Bush's 2 terms and it increases the deficit without commensurate spending cuts.

    How many programs for the poor and middle class are you willing to see the federal government cut in order to give greater tax cuts to the wealthy??

    At the end of the day, Americans have to decide what this country is really about?? Who are we?? What matters most to us??? Are we a 'village' made up of communities and states?? Or are we a loose confederation of economic nomads???

    WHen you give more money to the poor and middle classes, they ALWAYS spend a huge percentage of that cash back into the economy. But when you give more money to those who already have millions, they tend to horde it.

    No one is saying we should screw over the rich, but most everyone believes the system should be more fair.
    Fair to me means the top income tax bracket should be raised back to 39% the way it was under Clinton, and increase the capital gains tax.

    The system is unsustainable as is, benefiting only those at the top.
    And if this who experiment in democracy goes to hell, we all know which economic demographic has their passports ready to relocate to Europe.
     
  17. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    You hit it on the head A.
     
  18. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

    Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I'm not gonna hold my breath for an answer but I will probably grab a Snickers™ Bar because I'm gonna be in for a long wait.:-|
     
  19. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    The right can not be reasoned with. They don't believe in logic
     
  20. Howiedoit

    Howiedoit Active Member


    Ahhh Black Republicans, it's like cows who LOVE McDonalds . . . chickens who LOVE KFC . . . fish who LOVE Long John Silvers.
     

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