Trayvon Martin's Murder

The guy is back on the street. Yea he was found guilty but given a major slap on the wrist. He basically got away with shooting a black kid go ahead call me crazy/radical. Also his excuse was that he mistook his gun for a tazer....In spite of the fact the dude was already held down so that wouldn't have even been necessary. Call taht a conviction I call it BS.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/06/13/BAIJ1JT7CV.DTL

 

That's one of the cases I followed well.You are on video tape doing it. No effing way you aren't going to prison. The excuse was a lose-lose situation. Either A you are too stupid to be a police officer because you can't tell the difference and may possibly put someone's life in danger or B. you killed him on purpose. Either way prison. I was just not happy with the prison sentence. I've seen worse though. A fat lady sitting and killing a man and then getting probation. :smt017 laws are just crazy.

If you are a police officer, You go in and tell them to go home and that they are too loud. They were very compliant. They would have done that. It was new year's eve. People are loud. It is to be expected.

 

Laws ain't crazy the system is.

 

Florida's 2005 'Stand Your Ground' law is allowing assholes to literally get away with murder.

“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

Unbelievable.:shock:
All you have to do is tell a cop,' I thought Mr. X was going to kill me(with his bare hands) and in most cases if you murder someone after some altercation, most Florida law enforcement won't prosecute. No investigation, no nothing.


The other person doesn't even have to be armed.
Basically if you get in a public shouting match with someone, they have the right under Florida law to smoke you, if they claim they were afraid you were going to kill them first.


50/50 nothing happens to Zimmerman, even though he was stalking his victim.

It's those witnesses in this case who will hold the key to any conviction. Zimmerman stalked Trayvon and confronted him with his weapon, it makes no sense for Zimmerman to subsequently claim self-defense when he's the one who initiated the confrontation.

I hope the Feds find an appropriate resolution to this horrific crime.

 

:smt023

 

a bit of an exaggeration on the last sentence but yes if you confront someone here then you can get shoot.

I personally don't see it as 50/50 because he has to prove after being told not to go that he was confronted when in fact as you mentioned he was the one doing the confronting.

 

An update...

50 times? Sounds like Zimmerman was itching to be a "hero"..I'm guessing he wanted to catch the "big bad criminal" and get allocades from the Department he wanted so badly to be a part of.

But the New Black Liberation Militia going to Florida to place a citizens arrest on Zimmerman IS going to start shit they cannot finish. They need to fall back and let this stay its course of seeking JUSTICE with non-violent pressure. All this kid needs is sympathy because of some militant group grabbing and taking him.

con't....

 

con't....

http://news.yahoo.com/neighborhood-...on-martin-wanted-cop-211535382--abc-news.html

 

Just some of the comments on yahoo. Some well made points


What would you do if someone, the size of Zimmerman, who doesn't identify himself as a cop, is not dressed like a cop, follows you yelling at you to stop, and grabs your shoulder, and you are 17, and you know you have not commited a crime? He was told not to leave his car. The kid was walking normally carrying some snacks. This guy must be taken off of the streets!!


"Zimmerman's pursuit of Martin did not of itself constitute a crime, Lee said."

Ahh..harassment comes to mind. On what grounds was he being pursued? Was the pursuer witness to a crime committed, to even begin such a pursuit?

How can anyone claim that a crime was not committed here, especially after the outcome? What was his motive?


Since when is 'looking drunk' and walking home in the rain a capital offence anyway? This Zimmerman guy stalked and killed a young man simply because he didnt like the way he looked. Thats premeditated murder!


Self defense? Zimmerman was in his CAR. He stalked the kid and then got out of the car to harass him

 

I have mixed feelings about militias of any kind descending on Florida to inflame an already burning situation, just as I have mixed feelings about the Sharptons of the world, who may use this "opportunity" to bolster rating share and or credibility... Ulterior motives undermine a basic injustice done to a young man with his entire life ahead of him. They may have pure intent but it shouldn't have even risen to a level requiring their involvement....

To once again quote the late MLK, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." To read his "Letter from a Burmingham Jail" in which he defines his mission and reasoning, this link may shed light on Dr. King's motives.

http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

An unarmed young man, a teenager, lays buried while the perpetrator responsible for his death walks free under the auspices of "self defense". Moreover, the system we trust to protect and defend our rights has elected to exercise a blind eye in their enforcement of the law.

The basic facts, IMO, suggest a premeditated intent on Zimmerman's part, to raise the bar and take "justice" into his own hands.... Had Zimmerman not left his vehicle, and just followed the "suspicious" character until police arrived (which, according to both official police statements and eyewitness accounts, happened one minute after the fatal shot), this incident could have been logged as a "no harm, small foul" affair.

The Zimmerman family must have money and influence in the community and the local police department. Whether you agree or disagree, money buys "justice" in our current enforcement/judicial system. With law enforcement and the local DA unwilling to follow "normal" protocols, intertwined with involvement of their "own", coaching the suspect and witnesses suggests to me that they didn't have enough time to cover this one up "properly". A gun planted on the deceased would have made this an easy "open and closed" case.

The perp's own statements on his call-in to police incriminate him. The shooter left his vehicle after being instructed not to do so. Although licensed to carry a fire arm, was not authorized to do so in the capacity of a neighborhood watch participant and was probably so briefed by police, when signing up for and executing the program. With the technology we have at out finger tips, voice analysis can easily determine who cried for help. Why has that not been pursued over word of mouth? Granted, Treyvon is unable to provide a voice sample, but Zimmerman could be excluded as a possible contributor of the "cry" through samples of his voice.

The bottom line is, we all stand at the "Wailing Wall", seeking answers and some modicum of justice that has been brutally applied in similar instances for lessor offenses.

The last time I checked, the symbol for justice in the U.S. was a blind folded lady (Justicia), holding scales... Unfortunately, those scales continue to tip against people of color.

 

Do you feel it was a botched cover up? I feel it was an epic screw-up based on the sole assumption that the cop-friendly Zimmerman was telling them "the truth".
When the eyewitness said it was Martin who cried for help - and the cop "corrected" her - I got the impression that he did so based on Zimmerman's statement that he (Zimmerman) had called for help, rather than bother to just listen and collect eyewitness statements (of evidence). Very lazy investigating.
This will boil down to eyewitness accounts because unfortunately Zimmerman has Florida law on his side, and he had gashes to his face and head, as well as testimony from an eyewitness that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.

Then there's this caller..."They're wrestling right in the back of my porch," one frantic caller says. "The guy's yelling help and I'm not going out.".

(If only he had). So it'll be Zimmerman versus the eyewitnesses...I feel in my gut that Trayvon had no clue who this hulking guy following him in the rain was- I don't think Zimmerman identified himself as the NHWC, and Tray panicked, setting off Zimmerman who thought he could take control of this smaller child. What an utter tragedy that should never have happened.

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R.I.P babyboy.

 

How does he have florida law on his side? he went to confront. He wasn't confronted. It is the kid that has the law on his side. The police department is indeed incompetent. I also don't understand how the police can be buddies with a guy that commits battery on cops. It would seem like the opposite effect. They(state or feds) need to take a real good look at what is going on over there. It is like the prisoners are in charge of the asylum.

 

I was going off of what the police said - "pursing (following) someone is not breaking the law". The there is the law itself as AB stated above...

Remember, ther's only one version - Zimmerman's. This is why I said the eye witnesses will be the key to any justice, no matter how emotional his family or we the public become.
I also don't think those cops knew he had been arrested for assaulting a cop previously, as I read two versions - one that the charges were dismissed and another that he had it expunged. Unless cops went digging deep for that, they wouldn't find it in an initial background check. ( I could be wrong). I'm figuring if they knew, he'd have been persona non gratis, for sure.

 

The same law can be applied to the kid. Hence the confusion on he has the law on his side. Both do. Worst case scenario AB is correct and it can't be proven who was the victim. However, I have yet to hear a witness in Zimmerman's case. This is why I think he is likely to be found guilty. Too many witnesses not agreeing with the story.

 

You guys are forgetting one key fact. Zimmerman was directed by the 911 dispatcher NOT to follow the" suspect. He was in no immediate crime nor was he stopping a crime. Honestly I think he tried to play Joe hero and tried to detain the kid and like any smart person Treyvon probably said fuck this I'm going home. Remember Zimmerman was in plain clothes approaching this kid at night. Which is reasonable for anyone to want to get away and he probably under estimaed Treyvon and started to panic when the kid was whooping his ass and as a resilt shot him. I don't think it was premeditated murder but second degree murder because he brought a deadly weapon into a situation he created. I'm dumb as fuck and this shit is clear to me as the sun rising. They still haven't explained why this piece of shit hasn't be arrested. At the very least for discharging a fire arm in a public

 

In most States, laws presume to be on the side of the deceased 'victim' - even in self defense.

So I can understand why you say that Florida's law would also be on Tray's side, because he was actually also fighting Zimmerman in self-defense, which then got him killed. However, their law is worded to err on the side of the shooter. Since this is a he said/she said scenario, the law cannot be applied to Martin, because he cannot contest Zimmerman's claims. In the instance the law applies, ie: "in the event of deadly force being used" - AS IS THE CASE HERE- if you kill someone and claims self defense and it's your word against the dead person's and ballistics initially support that - the LAW defaults to your side. If Zimmerman is claiming Martin was the perp - Martin is not alive to say Zimmerman was. You must look at the law objectively. Based on this outcome - the law allows that if one is defending themselves they can shoot to kill - unless proven otherwise.

This is why I have repeatedly said that the ONLY way the law will not "rescue" Zimmerman's ass is IF any of the 911 calls, or any of the eyewitnesses counter Zimmerman's version. or even if the trajectory of the bullets don't corroborate his version - anything to nullify the application of the law, he will surely then be arraigned.

You said you haven't heard eyewitness's speak, however there are some statements to the press which are in the news articles posted, as well as some from the 911 calls.

 

And isn't this Zimmerman guy a "self-appointed" neighborhood watch captain?? And if that's the case, as it what I keep reading, he's basically just some guy with a gun running around trying to play cop. And ya I wouldn't be surprised if he had been under the influence of something on top of that. Was the first thing I thought when I heard that 911 call.

 

Why isn't this guy in jail yet

Seriously

 

why are you asking a question like that? you know why...

 

Well said, Tam.

I was in Ft. Myers, Naples and Marco Island all last week/weekend, and I was happy that this hasn't been brushed under the rug. It dominated the news cycle the entire time I was back home.