Off-duty cop pulls gun on pregnant IR couple

May desperation nor ill fated circumstances reach your frontstep my friend. I have an inkling you wouldn't do too well

 

Hey, I'll try to be respectful of your views and address the substance of your remarks if you will afford me the same courtesy.

You will also note that I said precisely what you 'added' in the section about not expecting to live long.

 

I don't think he read anything after you posted "I think that drug dealing is a very rational short-range strategy and an incredibly irrational long-range strategy for poor young men." Too caught up in that All American righteousness and all....

 

Hm.

Illegal immigrants sure seem to find low skilled, English not mandatory, entry level employment.

What's unrealistic is a 19 year old young man who dropped out of HS to EXPECT to live the lifestyle of an NBA basketball player or a rap artist.
You've got to grind in this life to get anywhere worthwhile.

It's harder than it was 30 years ago to make a living wage for someone without a HS or college degree, but everywhere I go I see Latino immigrants working in restaurants, parking valets, flipping burgers, apprenticing as handymen, working construction, in health clubs, working the cash register at drug stores, etc.

We as Black men have developed a reputation for being irresponsible, unreliable, malcontent employees, so much so that many businesses would rather hire a BM from a foreign country to do ANY kind of job than a home grown BM.

That's a bigger problem IMO than the scarcity of jobs.

Honestly you know what I would tell anyone who dropped out of HS with few job prospects?? Go get your GED and join the military. You get a salary, training, and you have a chance to think and get your shit together and figure out what you wanna do with your life.

Oh, but wait. You're a former drug dealer with a record. Good luck with that.smh.

This problem is so much deeper than whether or not dealing drugs is a viable option for young Black men. To even pose this question hints at the psychological rot that's going on in our community.
When you argue that dealing drugs is a rational decision for BM, to me it says you don't have a problem with the implosion of Black families and Blacks becoming a part of a permanent underclass in this country they will never be able to escape from.

None of your business but my father died in prison as an old man for getting caught up in the coke game. I never knew him and the last I heard anything about the man, my grandmother and aunt were calling to tell me he got his ass beat to death over use of a telephone.

I will never believe or accept that slinging poison and destroying your future(not talking about weed) is better than earning minimum wage.

 

Paniro I don't know what you've gone through but for someone who has had to struggle as you say you have it surprising you have such little compassion. You have the compassion of a sheltered rich kid.

 

First off illegal immigrants aren't coming to this country like they once did since there aren't many jobs. Secondly they work for far less than minimum wage and as a result live many in a small area. To ask someone who has lived here their whole life and for generations to do the work of newly arrived immigrants especially after centuries of free work with no gratitude but disgraceful disgain is beyond insulting. You can't compare the two.
Join the military huh? Do you think everyone who applies gets to go? You could have had a tumor as a kid and that kills all chances of you going.
Depending on certain circumstances drug dealing may be a viable option. Who are you to say whatsviable for someone if you don't have to live their situation?
Who are you to pass judgement?
And like I say to individuals like you Iggy Paniro and Petty. What the fuck have you done to help these people in crisis other than judge them. I guess its easier to talk shit on a message board.

 

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

Lmao are you kidding. Try to get a restaurant job in NYC and say that again with a straight face homie.

 

This is silly.

So if I'm having trouble finding work but I'm real good at cracking dude's skulls, should I work as muscle for organized crime??

If I'm out of work but I have mad hypnotic game with females, should I become a pimp??

How about breaking into people's homes while they're at work?
Boosting cars??

Yeah, as a citizen of this country I'm entitled to tell ANYONE engaging in criminal behavior that it's wrong. And I've never met ANYONE who's best option for employment was selling dope.

That's a hip hop self-pity fantasy.

Cash isn't always supposed to be quick.

And stop talking shit about what have I done to help the poor. I know I sure as hell don't whisper into the ears of Black teens, 'hey kid you might wanna check out the drug game. I heard they're paying stacks!!'

Understanding why someone does something doesn't make what they're doing right.

I probably can relate to why Chris Brown felt like he needed to beat Rihanna like a 3 dollar whore, but it still wasn't straight.

Yeah I just judged his ass, because I have more own set of values and personal morality. I don't have to BE you to know if you're fucking up.

I can do that because I live in the real world.

Young BM selling drugs as a start up????

Bad idea in every single way possible.

Viability is nil.

 

interesting that this disdain is never saved for those who far more harm. And I never said they should or shouldn't I just get why they do it. And if conditions got bad enough I'm sure you'd do dome unsavory things as well. We all would. It's called survival

 

I think this thread is becoming a surrogate for everyone's

latent hostility toward each other. I hope that is not the case. If I have not been civil to anyone in any of my posts, please accept my apologies.

I don't think anyone is saying selling drugs is a recommended activity. We are just discussing the factors (not justifications) that make some young people choose (quite wrongly) to sell drugs. I don't think that comparing what black people did 50 or 100 years ago is comparable for a host of reasons, namely that black people were largely too fearful of whites, authority and the law to dare commit anything that even looked like a crime. Thus, you don't get accurate comparisons by measuring an aggressive, urban population against a cowed, rural one. Apples and oranges. The sharp increase in black urban criminality is largely (although not entirely) a feature of the post-1960s era, when blacks became empowered enough to dare be their own social actors, in both positive and negative ways. Prior to the 1960s, the very idea of black urban life (good and bad) was almost exclusively tied to NYC, Chicago, Detroit and Boston. The rest of the black communities around the country were largely defined by rural culture, even in cities. As a result, most black communities were essentially extensions of the Deep South, regardless of where they were located.

 

I don't have any latent hostility towards anyone on this board. I have certain levels of frustration at times, but that's how most convos go.

I think there's a bigger problem within the community when criminality is lauded, celebrated and romanticized. That's never really happened before to the degree we see it today.

The Jews used to have a gangster element in their community too in the 1920s and 1930s, until one day as a people they decided they were better than that and they were bringing a stigma and a contempt upon all Jews in America.

So their hardest hustlers went mainstream and worked the game LEGALLY.

It's a lesson we as a people still haven't learned yet.

Remember when Dubya coined the phrase, 'the soft bigotry of low expectations,'??

He got that shit dead right.:smt006
Even for a Republican. :smt019

 

I'm not sure that Jews had a group-wide consensus on stopping the stigma, as much as the criminality laying the base for broader economic opportunities that ended the necessity for continued criminal activity. Same goes for Italian immigrants. The black community is developmentally at the same stage as European immigrants were at the turn of the last century, in terms of begrudging acceptance of their presence and right to full participation. Remember, our full citizenship (on paper) isn't even 50 years old. Criminality was a feature of every group that arrived in this country, from the Pilgrims stealing land to the narco-trafficking activities of some ethnic groups today. It is the most primitive form of capital acquisition. Here's to hoping our community's involvement is also transitory.

I am much more troubled by the celebration of it in popular media, which you rightly attacked. It is deserving of our contempt.

 

I wish I could rep you twice for this! You have been so on point lately.

 

Funny thing is every single group celebrates the criminal element of their society all the way back to Robin Hood yet we're the only ones being told to clean up our acts as a group. Just sad.

 

I think andreboba was talking about the mass encouragement of it. Having a much-loved song about 'Stagger Lee' or 'Frankie and Johnny' is one thing, having reading equated with 'acting white' is another.

 

What the hell are you talking about? You're comparing a man who stole from the rich to give to the poor to....modern day drug dealers who destroy all that is around them?

 

Lol I see what you did there good one.

I'm saying there has always been a folk hero attachment to criminals. Whether it be Robin Hood or the criminal activities of the Mob the Yakuza or Triad every group has it. Its just interesting that blacks are the only ones who are responsible for our criminal element and are always being told what we should do to clean up our act.

 

TDK....keeping it real.:shock:


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I want Black folk to strive for something better not because other people are telling us to do so, but because I actually give a fuck.

There's a reason Black immigrants do not want to be associated with home grown Black people. So why would you promote the right of Black folk to live and act like degenerate, criminal minded lowlifes, and reinforce stereotypes and behavior that keep us down??

Check whose team you're playing on, TDK.

If it's not good enough for your hypothetical son/daughter to behave that way, it's not good enough for ANY of us.

 

Lmao team? I play for team Knight. I play for those who I love and love me. I never said what they should or shouldn't do. I just like to condemning of a group when everyone does the same thing. The collective responsibility gets old and weak especially when others are allowed to be individuals. If I sold drugs why are you accountable? Does that make sense?