Divorce and Custody...

Well said. Empowered people make for better actual partners, in my humble opinion. Relationships between equals are always faired and better for those involved than the usual dominant/submissive dichotomy.

 

It's not my intention to make out of a normal discussion a black/white story...

 

I agree, that equality is the product of being able to have the same choices as anyone else regardless of race and or gender. Which is why I posted about the gender-bias in custody cases in the U.S.. As it was mentioned before, this entire thread took a turn.

 

Well, you discussed the 60s and 70s. And the plight of women of that era. When you speak of Men oppressing, you didn't specify. So, I did. This is an interracial forum, so I was under the impression that I could specify race. I will add that if my specifying offended you I apologize, but I think some of the issues here are a product of BM and WW in the thread taking things personally based on a fight that didn't actually involve the two cultures. Which is why I specified.

 

I never think about black or white, whatever I say. For me, this isn't interesting

 

I actually edited it to explain my reasoning. I don't think about Black or White, I think about All races, cultures, and so on. If I didn't, I wouldn't be in a forum called WWBM

 

LOL...baby, may I hug you?:smt058 Thanks for clarifying it in propper English.. many times I don't find the right words...

 

:smt023-I know, that's why I repped you before. You are fair

 

In Africa even if you are a highly educated and well paid woman you still dont wear the pants and will never be the head of the house. Its a cultural thing.

 

Are you sure?
I was in SA, Namibia, Botswana,Angola,Kongo,Sierra Leone, Guinea, Senegal,Uganda. In some countries I know several women personelly that are independent and live the same way as we do in Europe. In others you are right, even if they are educated (most don't get the chance in that countries) are still under the feet of men.
And for the record, I wasn't talking about being the head of the house or wearing pants- that would mean to suppress men, what I've never said. I am talking about equality.

 

Of course you can hug me! But, if you REALLY want to make me happy, you can post another one of those gorgeous black & white pics of yours.

 

The poster asked for comments about roles in American culture and my comments reflected my thoughts as such. As far as the U.S., the kinds of relationships, for the most part, that you describe in your own experience, haven't existed for a long time. Nor do I believe that most men seek out such relationships. I also believe that having independence does not, as I mentioned previously, suggest that the man loses his position in a family. It's very much dependent on the woman and what she values in her relationship with her partner. I do agree, though, that suppression is unwelcome in any relationship, and of course both people should be viewed as equal in any relationship.

 

Actually I asked for opinions on gender-bias in custody battles. The thread, however took a different turn.

 

where do you want me to put it? Not bw, coloured..I am always with you for a joke..

 

Around here the father is around often. That explains why it is like that over there. Remember more people are in prison from an absent father household than are in prison from an absent mother.


also I said usually. You guys fit into my comment. The point for that is the child will pick the softer of the two. In a tough world, the softer of the two may not be the best choice.

 

A grown up that knows how to walk. A grown up that has experience of walking! Am I correct? They are taught to walk by someone who has the experience.

A man needs to be thought all the little intricacies of being a man by another man that has the experience.

Their father! the male role model!

Anyone can wash, make a bed, wash their clothes, wash their plate, get themselves dressed, feed the animals, sweep a floor and do all those other "chores". This isn't woman's work. Any one can do it. But not anyone can be a man. Not every one has that experience of being a man.

There are things that only by seeing a man do does a boy want to do it. They come to a realization that a boy will become a man and that these are the things that a man does.

There are things that only men have experience on. How society sees you as a man is something women will never understand? It something that boys are suppose to be taught by a man because it can be tough. Indeed, It is tough being a man!!!!

Key point Barack Obama. I can guarantee you we had a lot of black boys that wanted to be president after seeing this guy do it. You would not have gotten this from a woman. It is the presentation. This is what I am. This person closely resembles me in respect to gender. I should follow his foot steps to do it. It just isn't there for boys with a woman. Boys won't become women. They know they will become men and they will look for a man to teach them what they think they need to be to be a man.

I am not saying that women don't have their work cut out for them. Everyone who has children has their work cut out for them. It is hard work. However lets not pretend that again a heterosexual woman knows how it feels to fall in love with a woman. That's part of being a heterosexual male. lets not pretend like a woman knows how it is to be a MAN. That's the key point in this. I don't advise women or girls on how to be a woman. I don't have the experience. How can one give advice on how to do something that they have never done themselves?(walking as the best example)That's one of the reasons why we have such a large amount of men in prison. a good Dad wasn't around to teach them how to be a good man.:smt018

This conversation is not about if a woman is a poor parent. It is about if a woman is a better parent at teaching boys at being a man than an actual man is with the assumption that the man
is a good man. I assure you women are not and hence why good men should be able to get the boys over a woman because they can teach all the things that a woman can to a boy and give their advice and teach on how to be a man. Because they have the experience!

Advice and experience that is priceless and heavily influential for boys.

 

Again, the gender is ignored in this case. Men typically make more. This means the child would be better off with the man. Economic inequality is still tied to people. A good man would have had his finances set in order to raise the child in a good environment. Yes, women can do the same but it is less likely to happen. especially with the gender inequality in wages.

You can not simply divide the two. They are heavily linked to genders and people. Teaching a boy to be a man has the lesson of finances with it.

 

We all know that men womanize with or without fathers in the picture. I'd say they were more likely to womanize without their fathers.

 

We still have our leading positions.
We no longer have to pay for another person's dinner.
We no longer have to pay for everything a woman may need.
This is the best for both genders.

also men still impress women with money.

Look at wilt chamberlain. Dennis rodman. Bill Cliniton. Prince charles. These guys cheat or get women with money.

People are still animals and quite a few women choose men on if they can provide.

eddie griffen has nine kids!!!!
You would think the women would go this guy isn't the one but some said yea.
just saying.