they cant get it together

Discussion in 'In the News' started by goodlove, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    A new CNN poll shows that the same partisan divide that's keeping the congressional super committee from reaching a deficit reduction deal also exists among Americans who identify with a political party.
    The CNN/ORC International poll released Monday shows that 59% of those surveyed who identify themselves as Republicans oppose tax increases, while 57% of Democrats polled say they oppose spending cuts.

    The super committee that was charged with coming up with a long-term deficit reduction plan by Wednesday remains split along party lines over those issues, say congressional aides familiar with the discussions.
    Independent voters surveyed somewhat mirror the overall public attitudes toward taxes and spending ? nearly seven in 10 independents favor raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations, which Republicans oppose, and support cuts on domestic spending, which Democrats oppose.
    The poll also found that cuts to defense programs, triggered if the comm ittee can't reach a deal, have become less popular. About half of those surveyed in August, when the super committee was formed, favored defense cuts; but the Monday poll shows that about six in 10 are now against defense cuts.
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    what side of the ball do you support .....spending cuts and lowering taxes?

    spending cuts and increasing taxes and so on ?

    what would you propose ?

    who are the big losers according to this Poll ?
     
  2. Jase

    Jase Active Member

    Cutting wasteful spending is perfectly fine. Cutting some defense spending would be great. Cutting spending across the board and claiming that's going to improve the economy is ridiculous. It's pathetic how Republicans want to cut medicare, social security, pensions, bust unions, slash welfare, cut food stamps, roll back child labor laws etc yet god forbid anyone suggest going back to the tax rate we had under Clinton.

    It's ridiculous how conservatives can't stand social programs like that that help the poor, but they have absolutely no problem with Bank of America paying $0 in taxes while making billions of dollars in profit. They have no problem with rich assholes damn near tanking the economy, being propped up by the taxpayers they look down on, and then giving themselves multimillion dollar bonuses while laying off thousands of people.

    I really don't care much for the Democratic Party but this situation and most of the situations that have been just as nonsensical (debt ceiling debate anyone?) for the past 3 years has clearly been the fault of Republican obstructionism.
     
  3. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    I don't know how to vote any more. It's more a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils for me.
     
  4. flaminghetero

    flaminghetero Well-Known Member

    Whoever you vote for will be financed by the same Banks and Corporations.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2011
  5. Jase

    Jase Active Member

    Can't argue for that. But still vote. Just research your candidates. Some are much better than others. Not too many, but some.
     
  6. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    You're an anarchist, Flaming!!
    Checking out of the system doesn't change it.

    I kind of hope the GOP sweeps in in 2012 and gets to put their economic/social agenda into law.

    Cutting spending wholesale does not boost the economy or produce jobs.

    We had the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy for almost ten years and the economy bled jobs and cratered in 2008.
     
  7. flaminghetero

    flaminghetero Well-Known Member

    The GOP and the DEMs have the SAME AGENDA because they have the SAME OWNERS.:smt039

    Even your dog knows that.

    Obama is extending the "bush tax cuts"..

    Sticking your head in the sand isn't changing the system.
     
  8. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Obama won't let those tax cuts continue in 2013. He thought he could buy GOP votes with that gesture. They instead spit in his face.

    There are ideological differences between the parties no matter who their financial supporters are.

    Corporations interests in American politics is essentially limited to keeping as much of their profits as possible and ZERO government regulations. That comes down to tax policy and corporate oversight.
    THe federal government has more responsibility than that.

    But you keep rolling with those oversimplified conspiracy theories.
    The corruption in our government is tied to campaign financing and no term limits in Congress.

    Address those issues and the government is less likely to be bought.
     
  9. flaminghetero

    flaminghetero Well-Known Member

    LOL@Obama won't let those tax cuts continue in 2013

    Dear God man...

    Obama is financed by the same people that bankrolled Bush and all the rest of those puppets.They only pretend to be adversaries to KEEP THE GAME GOING.

    What will you say when those tax cuts continue past 2013???

    It's not enough to peep game on a street level..only to be scammed by tricks that won't fool a goldfish.

    When it comes to politics and who owns them...you are dumb as a new born monkey.
     
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2011
  10. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    This is the thing; you believe both sides are sharing the same locker room and are putting on a show for the American people. Like pro wrestling.

    Their political divisions aren't theatre. Both parties share actual ideological differences about the direction of the country.

    The banks and corporations are but one of several special interest groups who lobby politicians but don't flat out run the government.

    Both parties don't hold as a core value to shrink the size of federal government by decreasing revenue into the Treasury. Both parties don't favor a permanent occupation in the Middle East.
    Both parties don't favor abolishing federal social programs that aid the poor.

    Corporate America doesn't care about every single piece of legislation that put up for a vote in Congress.

    But I do agree if big money private interests decide they have skin in the game in an upcoming bill or vote, they usually get the result they want.

    It's why President Obama's healthcare bill was so watered down from its original concepts.

    What you call 'control', I would say is undue influence in the legislative process.

    That's why campaign finance reform is so important, to cut off the cash flow and the re-election donations - bribes - that is the lifeblood of politics in D.C.
     
  11. flaminghetero

    flaminghetero Well-Known Member

    One side is offense...the other defense...both play for the same team.

    Just like a football team.

    Take 12 seconds of your time to see who owns Obama...you'll find the same names that own Bush.
     

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