Did The Current State Of Feminism Kill Chivalry?

you're entitled to your own opinion, dont let the pc brigade control you, they sure as hell dont hold back when speaking i have noticed

 

Very well stated my friend.

 

win

 

Oh, I'm shakin' in my boots...not.

 

No truer words have ever been spoken on this forum. Good one. Rep coming.

 

where's pixie and penishunter

 

I think a lot of them don't get the concept that most men don't mind doing these things in fact most enjoy doing it for women they are truly interested in but when they make it a requirement it sucks the sincerity out of every gesture making it some bs obligation just because they have a vagina. And when they find out a lot of men do that shit just to get some ass they are appauled and offended but never see how they create that shit. Its kind of like blow jobs no man wants an unenthusiastic blow job. A woman doesn't want to be expected to do it and men generally aren't happy getting something that someone is going to be lazy about doing.

 

:smt043:smt043:smt043 who?

 

thanks, just saying what i seen, i aint been the only one either

 

TDK







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u know....penishunter aka the huntress aka dreaming blue aka queen bee

 

When I was in high school and college I subscribed to a number of feminist ideas. I subscribed to Bust and Bitch magazines, took several feminist theory courses during my undergraduate career and even considered a women's studies major. I thought everything should be equal in a relationship and I tried to make it thus.

I dated and moved in with my WM BF when I was 23. We agreed to split everything 50/50 and split our chores. I went back to school and worked part-time as a lifeguard and he work as an ad copywriter. He made much more money than me and probably could have even supported us both, but we both insisted it was much more fair to split every thing 50/50.

It never really turned out to be as "fair" as either of us had intended. Between school and work I was actually occupied more hours of the day than him. After several weak efforts on his part to clean house I took on this responsibility alone. I found myself constantly picking up after him and washing his clothes because they were otherwise left strewn around our bedroom. He felt chivalry was BS and I half-heartedly agreed at the time. He was never romantic and I found myself feeling less attracted to him as a result. I cannot pinpoint precisely why but the relationship ended.

I moved to the South and found a new appreciation for chivalry and tradtional sex roles. Feminism works in theory, but that is all. Feminism works under the assumption that men and women are biologically, emotionally, and intellectually the same. This idea is simply not so. I appreciate that I can vote, make the same amount of money as male counterparts who carry the same job title, and live in the U.S.A. where women particularly have more freedom, but that is where my appreciation of feminism ends. I don't feel that many feminist ideals work in relationships, marriages or households and I have no problem with a man who buys me dinner!

 

Tell us about those make out sessions with fellow female undergrads who felt that the best way to explore "womynhood" was through licking each other's muffs.

 

Hey hey that was just experimentin'

 

Is it done with hot sauce in the South?

 

Fried with greens and oxtails

 

Sweet lawd have mercy!

To your point, upon becoming an adult I also explored gender roles through feminist interpretations. Read some prominent works of the more notable thinkers and came away with the idea that gender differences were primarily socially constructed.

"One is not born a woman, but becomes one."

After a few years my beliefs had to be revised by experiences with women who did not want to be seen as a buddy with a vagina. There is a type of consensual command that women prefer to see in men that is not reflective of old world patriarchy, but infused with confidence and a cool strength.

More like, "I'll let you lead in certain areas, but please don't fuck this up."

 

My perspective changed when I took a class on gender and power and read Sojourner Truth's "Ain't I Woman"
It made me very sensitive to the plight of bw in the US since our idea of femininity is white and our idea of black is male leaving them out in the cold. Things like that make me constantly evaluate myself and how I act and as a result I subscribe to a lot of what you said in your post. Unfortunately a lot of women don't take the the time to self evaluate but the more time I spend on this forum I am beginning to see that it comes from a place of pain that dictates blaming others since its easier than working on yourself.
I can admit I've done that in the past when complaining about my malcontent with dating. I've come to the conclusion just make money and be done with it since all the debating in the world will never change popular culture.

Good post fam.

 

Damn woman you should write a book and start a lecture tour. A lot of these women need you out here.

 

...but I wouldn't be around to make my BF a roast for dinner and keep him out of trouble.

Seriously though, once I embraced some traditional roles I felt a lot less stressed out and angry as it concerns the male sex. I never used to: wear make-up, do my hair (because it was cut short), get pedicures, wear dresses, cook, etc. I took offense to a man holding open a door, hesitated about a man buying me dinner and unintentionally did a lot of things that esmasculated men. I looked and acted like a guy in my teens and early 20's and as a result wasn't getting the kind of attention I desired.

Humans try to pump themselves up so much to believe that they've evolved so far beyond animals, but we haven't as much as we'd like to think. Men are attracted to women who look and dress a certain way because they want a woman fertile enough to have their offspring. Women come off as golddiggers because we want a man with the means to support said offspring. It's just biology!

 

if it were biology, women would look for other women for protection and support, given the placenta and whole 'layered protection' thing going on with that.

women looking for men to support them is a social construction