Random Conversation 2.0

They need to clean house in the athletic department and administration, and with the NCAA offer Penn State players who want out the option to walk without redshirting for a season.

The ESPN 30for30 for this is going to be a motherfucker.

 

I'm with Saty and TDK on this one: witnessing the rape of a child should have been enough for anyone to call the police immediately if not sooner. There is NO other course of action. None.

 

Yes it will.

 

It's called Genovese Syndrome.

 

College kids are a fucking trip these days.

 

How can you consider this the Genovese Syndrome. My understanding is that this theory relates to a number of people witnessing a crime simultaneously? The theory holds that one person is less willing to intervene if several people witness the crime, because they assume someone else will intervene. In the Penn State situation, the graduate student was the only witness. Notably, though, in the case of the Genovese murder, psychologists concluded that people thought their moral duty ended when they called the police.

 

Dude no matter how logical the point she wont see it. She's right and we're picking on her. I still don't get how someone can see child rape and just walk away.

 

boys were raped, not girls

if girls were involved, she'd play ball along with everyone else

 

It's a theory people are throwing around in many, many articles that I've read. The point being- you don't know what you're going to do until you're faced with it.

ETA, you are actually wrong about the Genovese Syndrome. 38 people watched her die and didn't call the police. One or two did after she was dead, but the rest of them watched not one, but three attacks on her, and no one stepped in. Not one person stepped in during the half-hour long attack, and not one person called the police during that time. They were all hoping that someone else would call, or someone else would handle it. And in the end, they only found about 6 people willing to admit they saw it and testify.

I don't see how someone can allow their father to beat their mother and still consider him a decent human being worthy of respect....

Petty, shut the fuck up. You don't even know the things that have happened to me. I don't like that someone walked away from it, but the fact is that it happened. And people could've saved me, too, but they didn't. I can't blame them for that. It is what it is. When you're faced with something horrifying, some people just can't deal with it and they don't do what they should do.

 

You should have done what? I didn't say that. You did exactly what McQ did... but if you're going to try to say you don't see how someone can just see child rape and walk away, that's also like saying 'I don't see how someone can see someone get abused and just walk away' or 'I don't see how someone can see someone get murdered and just walk away'. It happens every day... THAT was my point.

Dude, you have no fucking clue. You really are so pathetically off base about me that it's sad and truly laughable. If you couldn't see all this time that I was offering an explanation to how something like that could happen based on facts and psychology being explored throughout nearly every news site and blog in the world, which you love to worship, then you need to brush up on your reading comprehension if you expect to succeed in the master's program.

 

DB you're comparing my actions at 9 to that of a grown man? Ok I'm done you win I have nothing else to say to you on the subject.

 

The media is notorious for getting facts wrong, but that's no excuse for others to continue the misuse. Obviously, you have to understand a topic before pulling it out of context and headlines for discussion, as you have demonstrated here. You are incorrect about a fundamental aspect on this matter. Central to the theory of the Genovese Syndrome is how a GROUP of people react as witnesses to a crime, not an individual. The essence of the theory is that others in the group assume that someone else will provide aid to a victim. Clearly, the fact pattern of this case involved a lone witness, and not a group. Consequently, it's a misapplication of the theory in using it to explain the behavior of the individual graduate student who witnessed the rape.

The reaction of the graduate student, while illustrating the negative, actually exemplifies the antithesis of the the Genovese Syndrome, also known as Bystander Intervention. It's the willingness to take action to help someone in need, as was true when the rape was observed.

Though unimportant in understanding the Genovese Syndrome, the events of the original Geneovese murder were variously reported and have most recently concluded that there were less than a dozen witnesses, not 38, and that calls were made to the police that went unanswered. It does seem at least consistent with one aspect of the matter under discussion, that potentially the police wanted to cover up the misdeeds of their inaction just as the Penn State sought to cover up misdeeds as well.

 

OK, swirl. You're right. I'm wrong. No one has considered the idea that the 'group think' might also be reflected in a single individual part of a club or group that might not be present in their entirety (think frat brothers, police officers, Penn State football). Nope. That's never even been considered. Everyone else is wrong for even considering that or bringing it up.

 

Yes, you're correct. There are often people willing to distort and misapply facts in order to appear correct, or validate something that flies in the face of the science or logic.

 

...that was science and logic, sunshine. Keep up.

Or did I miss when you got your PhD in clinical psychology to be able to refute the experts who have already brought up this very thing as a potential explanation for someone's failure to act?

It's not a matter of if it's right or wrong. It's a matter of 'what could influence someone's behavior in the face of crisis' that they're discussing. No one said they AGREED with the failure to act. You guys are just consistently missing the point, and I'm done.

 

I'm keeping up nicely but your logic in this matter is falling pretty flat. If you start with a premise that's incorrect, then everything that flows from that is incorrect as well. The theory is about the behavior of group members who witness a crime. There was no group who witnessed a crime, only one person, who admittedly was a member of a group. So, the parallels are misplaced, period. Again, distortion by anyone is only results in confusion.

 

Penn State lost against Nebraska in today's football game, 17 to 14.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spo...e-rally-comes-up-short-to-nebraska-17-14.html

 

I don't care if Penn state lost but that was a moving moment...... Nebraska and Penn sate players coming together and dedicating a silent/prayer moment to victims just before the game, over 107, 000 fans coming out and supporting the players, lots of students selling blue ribbons to raise money for society that work close with abused and raped children...... Very classy and touchy moment. That is what college football is about, in fact that is what college sports should be about...........I was proud for Nittany Lion, great job folks!

 

I agree... Not every student attending Penn State is a bonehead focusing only on football.

Unfortunately, this incident and the ensuing revelations will continue to play out in the media for weeks and perhaps years to come.

One can only hope that it awakens the conscience and humanity in all of us to start caring more about each other again, especially those who are defenseless and powerless to act for themselves.

One doesn't need an "S" emblazoned on the chest, one just needs to have a heart!

 

I have no idea what's happening at penn state, as a Canadian, I haven't noticed anything in the papers or on the news regarding it.... But from what I've seen here - rape of peds = go straight to hell bastard. End of story.


My random stuff for tonight - got hit on by a 28 year old tonight - cute effort! lol

Also, I'm kinda inebriated sooooo night all! :smt006