Did The Current State Of Feminism Kill Chivalry?

If you think that, you didn't read my "Old School" thread.

 

As they should. This being appreciated without earning it stuff isn't good for anyone.

 

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No can't say that I have. Post the link

 

A very good point indeed.

 

It doesn't matter. I've come to the conclusion that men who still believe in chivalry are already with women who appreciate what they have. :smt102

 

Huge eye roll. Quit feeling sorry for yourself kid

 

Walk a day in my shoes. Or a year. Or how about 16 of 'em.

 

true about the expectations point. i will say from my position that i've never had a man buy me dinner as i've always gone dutch as i thought it was the fair thing to do...i earn my own money. but, i have bought a man dinner. actually, i cannot count the number of chivalrous acts i've received from a man that i do not do in return.

oh & i spoke about relationships because you touched briefly on them. right there, the roles that have been etched out in the past still stand in the present and future.

 

I'm ok with relationship expectations since we are investing in one another but not when we are getting to know each other because it feels forced and insincere.

 

Its like this....

Women are becoming more independent, and when a male shows chivalry, it might look like a form of weakness on the woman's behalf.

Chivalry isn't totally dead, but it's on life support.

The real question is is there a woman who would be chivalrous to a man, i.e holding open doors, or pulling out chairs?

 

LOL, interesting question for sure.

Lets see what the ladies say.

 

We already know the answer to that my friend. The new/old philosophy is be a gentleman and fawn over me for gracing you with my pressence and expect nothing in return because you're luck that got I am sitting here with you. Its one of the last great hypocrisy" treat me as an equal when it benefits me and like a lady when it benefits me"
I can't them for it though. If there are men willing to do it then why not act that way I guess.

 

I don't think it shows weakness on the woman's behalf for a man to show chivalry.

I do agree though, with the imposed gender bending it should stand to reason that women should be holding open doors for us just as we do for them, pulling out our chairs, paying for our dates. If it's going to happen, make it across the board... not only where's convenient.

Men and women are supposed to be equal but different. Equal in purpose but different in design. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The problem is, at some point some (not all) women began to feel that what made them different made them weaker. We men (particularly the deadbeats) shoulder some of the blame as well because we frequently put them in a position where they have to 'man up' or harden themselves for emotional protection. I think the problem, if that's what you want to call it, has been brought on by many variables.

To use my favorite saying these days.

"It is what it is.... doesn't matter, really"

 

None of this matters, just be intelligent and respectful if the situation warrants it. Chivalry is something that is calibrated by variables such as age, ethnicity, regional tastes, etc. I don't have the time or inclination to learn it all.

I'm also a supporter of feminism, even some radical forms but not the off-the-wall bullshit that DB regularly spews.

 

Bite me, saty. You have no idea what I actually believe in. I'm just tired of the super misogyny that DK spews, and so are all of the other ladies. I swear, if he had his choice, women wouldn't vote, and they'd be barefoot and pregnant with no rights.

I think there's no problem with being respectful. I open doors for EVERYONE. I don't need someone to pull out my chair, or stand when I get to a table. Frankly, if someone stands when I come to a table, I look at them like they have ten heads. Don't pull out my chair. I am capable of handling my own chair. Some women like that- I don't. Door opening is common courtesy. Chivalry, in and of itself, is an archaic application of gender norms that have no place in a modern society, in my opinion.

There's always room for common courtesy.

 

Like I said, off-the-wall bullshit. Thanks for your confirmation.

 

let me get my popcawn. its gonna get good up in here

 

You continue to insist on being bat shit huh lol.
1. Don't drag me into your arguments with another poster. Saty said shit about you not me. So quit trying to use me as the board approved scape goat when you have absolutely no intelligent argument.
2. What misogyny are you talking about? And you know even the smallest iota about me you'd know way better than to think I want a woman who relies on me to support her. That's so far outside of anything I've ever said.
3. We both agree that chivalry is bs so why not address your fellow female posters who support it?

 

You dont know what you want. Except, you have expectations of women and sex that you dont even adhere to, want to get married, but dont want a woman looking for the same and complain about the little girls you date.

I brought you up because you're my foil on here. Your batshit misogyny brings out my ultra feminism...sometimes things I don't believe in but are brought up to counter your crazy.