Question about russian women....

At the time, my ideology of how a women should be treated was completely different. No doubt, it was something inflicted from my mothers esteem. What i have learned from him, what I experienced on my own, is that women do not like a 'nice guy' that single mothers raise their sons to be. They do not teach them how ugly the real world is, he taught me. I learned, it is always better to be the bad boy.

 

One thing that comes to mind... when this forum becomes a men-women battlefield... Look at rooseveltfranklin's angry response to me, telling me how my comment about Russian men is offensive to ALL men... but who ever sticks up for ALL women, when Flaming, Black Prince or whoever else bash BW on the regular? Iffey's Wifey said something, and was immediately told that "the stories and incidents you read about here are much more than "bullsh!t and stereotypes" they are stories and events that represent the living experience of real people. real black men." yet when I spoke of my experience, we get offended.

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I've read a Russian article called "Put on White Scarves!" which tells of a campaign in the Russian Comi region against domestic violence. Here are the last three paragraphs of the article:

"The "White Scarf" day marked the end of the campaign. Every man, young man, and boy who made a decision never to use violence against a woman, a girl, or a little girl, not to allow himself disrespectful treatment of her, put on a white scarf on December 10.

These 16 days became in the republic truly the days of activity against violence. Their organizers have been able to unite the efforts of various women's movements and government bureaus. And, what's especially important - let the youth join in. For example, the students of the state pedagogical institute prepared newpapers called "Don't Beat Me!", "Cruelty", "The House of Broken Hearts". Never before did the media pay so much attention to the problem of violence against a person. And the mass awareness of it rose by 24%, compared to last year's research.

It was during this campaign that one student wrote in a school composition: "In Russia, the biggest difficulties have always been overcome together. That's the way! Everyone should say to oneself, "I want, I can, I will live without harming and hurting my neighbor!" "
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In your original post you spoke in general terms, you said nothing about it being your own personal experience. if that was the case you should have said so. you only called it your "personal experience" in response to what i wrote. had i known you were speaking from personal experience i would have responded differently.

Even if you were relating your own experiences, you still have no right to assume a posture defining all russian men....sorry you just dont.

 

I enjoy the banter of good conversation. But, please be objective, I have been so since I joined the forum. When you come with how women are mistreated, you automatically ignore the male perspective. Thus, my explanation your logic makes no sense to men. I do not know how many times I have read, a man's point of view being overwritten my a women's.

If you want to talk about battered women. Lets, how about the women in the middle-east? I dare a women of Western civilization try to live in that culture. Women like yourself have NO idea. These women experience REAL discrimination, REAL depression, REAL oppression. They are equal to men IN NO WAY possible. Yet, these women complain? Things will never be rosy prefect. But, lets be realistic here. What you experienced as a women, is in no shape or form of that of a Arab women living in middle-eastern countries. If you want to fight oppression of women do it there. It may actually do some good.

That is my factoid..............

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Tears are often the telescope by which men see far into heaven, but to perceive is to suffer.

 

Let's talk about battered Middle-Eastern women on a Middle-Eastern thread. This is a RW thread and I want to speak of battered RW. Here is another paragraph from my article:

"...Another part of the campaign was an "Open Letter to a Man", which during those days was spread among the "stronger sex" in public places, in workplaces, in places of education. Among other things, this letter said: "Every year in Russia 14,5 thousand women die at the hands of their husbands... Why do we, men, allow this fact to exist? If I hit, humiliate the woman I love, I will feel disgust for myself afterward. It's no use lying to yourself. Cruelty is weakness... I want to work for happiness, love a woman for happiness, respect myself, my feelings and the feelings of others. And, that is happiness." "

Sadly, I do not think such a letter, such a campaign would be possible in the Middle East. I would like to be wrong on this.

Seven, what is the male perspective on wife beating? Enlighten me.

 

You are right; but my theory is, as I said in that post, that when it comes to your own, your feelings can cloud your reason. All the negative experiences of your life surface in your brain, and that's how you end up generalizing. So, my statement "Russian men must learn to respect women" was an illustration of that point. Am I making any sense at all?

Sad but true, men and women are far from being equal in Russia. I'm now reading a fantastic book called "Woman as a Cultural Phenomenon: a Look from Russia", too bad it hasn't been translated into English. The views in this book are so revolutionary that the author admits: "Writing, almost without any hope to find support from the reader, is very difficult."

All Russian men are different. I love them; I feel for them. When they suffer and perish, I cry. When something good happens for any of them, I'm happy. How could it be different. They are me.

 

You make it as if those stats are the majority, when in fact, they are the very small minority. It is something like Western feminist who say 1 out of 3 men are rapist. What type of lunacy is that? It is not only man hate speech, they are full of shit. I do not believe it not for one bit. There is no excuse for wife beating, but there is always a reason. It is like I said, women will bring out the very worst in men.

 

There is not such thing as being truly equal. Why? We live in a world where the aggressors are rewarded, women are not the aggressive creature, so they will always be inferior to men in that way. So, how do you make things 'even?' Emasculate all the men, make our governments socialist as hell, erect laws that favour women. A man's masculinity gives them the advantage over women. Women will always be ruled by men, we are the aggressive sex. The only way a women can be any type of leader of a power country is if the government is totally socialist. A TRUTH NO WOMEN WILL ADMIT.

That is my factoid.......

Men do not attract that which they want, but that which they are. Our whims, facies and ambitions are thwarted at every step, but our intermost thought and desires are fed with our own food, be it foul or clean. Man is manacled only by himself, thought and actions are the jailours of fate they imprision, being base; they are also the angles of freedom. They liberate, being noble. Not what he wished and prays for does a man get, but what he justly earns. His wishes and prayers are only gratified and answered when they harmonize with his thoughts and actions.

This is the male perspective. I hope every women who reads this ponders on that, and understands it to its fullest.

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He is richest who is content with the least, for content is wealth of nature, virtue does come from wealth, but wealth, and every other good thing which men have, comes from virtue.

 

In your posts, I find the most interesting observations woven into blatant generalizations that lead nowhere. So, I separate the two while studying your posts. :lol:
I see your perspective; I don't think it would make any sense to debate further since we're obviously from opposing camps. You don't care much for feminists, while I call myself one.

By the way, I did get in touch with the Russian psychologist. He agreed with me that many of today's Russian men respect women less than today's American men, and that many Russian women in America don't have a high regard for Russian men, and that it's not right and we are only hurting ourselves with these destructive attitudes. He told me however that he's helping women who are not happy, while I am, on the contrary, happy. So I told thim that I'd look at his articles more attentively and really attempt to understand him. We parted as friends. :lol: I felt elated (I think that's the right word) after receiving his letter. Even though I had sent him an angry letter, he responded with a thoughtful, respectful answer, and feeling respected by a Russian man, it felt better than good.

 

I suggest this article:
http://www.owl.ru/vitalvoices/press_karelova_e.htm

 

Generalizations? Where? I POINT OUT THE FACTS. I dare you find no truth about what i say. You do not want to continue to debate because there are nothing but holes in your speech. I, the man, point them out, because they are indeed full of contradictions. Does that craw under your skin? Did you really think, that i thought, you were not a so called 'feminist?' Your speeches SCREAMS feminist. Feminist means equal correct? How can man and women be equal? Yes you 'call' yourself a 'feminist,' but have no recollection of the term. Now do ye? Or, are you a radical leftist moronic kind? I think the latter to be the truth, but I call you on it later, and yes you bets to believe ill be slamming your arse hard. Go ask any women who holds a high powered position in government or business, in a Western civilization, preferably the US or UK governments, she will tell you the only way to get there is to have thought and actions like men.


Another bites the dust.

That is my factoid.................

 

:lol: I read this article many times over, and yes, the author even stated that we live in a society which awards aggressive behaivour, or did you miss that! :lol: Yes, they no doubt want to erect laws that favour women. This is equal how? Is this feminism by its definition? Or is this radical feminist propaganda? Men are to powerful to face them off head to head. Women will never succeed that way. We will have your arses back in the kicthen, if women continue to try to do it that way. The only way women can succeed is with the help of men, and you have to have masculinity for there to be feminism.

That is my factoid.......

 

I didn't miss it... that is what she sees as the problem.

 

:lol:
Well... I do have a definition of feminism which is about a page long, when I get around to translating it into English... I see what you're saying... you have your opinion and I have mine. I was just talking to an older coworker about debates in general and she said that she doesn't debate with anybody anymore, not even with her husband, because people believe what they want to believe.

I actually didn't mean to get into a debate per se... I come to this forum to learn something, and I learn a lot from people's posts... I also jot down my own thoughts... that's not exactly debating, right? Personally, I liked the article, the most important statement in it was that it all starts with woman's consciousness concerning herself... I'm glad that I have a relative openness of mind, for example I wanted to marry a black man so I did... I also converse with you and am interested in your points of view, and those of other people here, to educate myself...

 

What i hate about debates, is that people only like to argue one side of the coin. They never look in and outside the box, or a full 360 degrees. When I endeavour to examine my own conduct, and either to approve or condemn it. I divide myself, as it were, into two persons. The first is what I like to call 'the spectator;' whose sentiments with regard to my own conduct, by placing myself in his/her situation, and by considering how it would appear to me. The second, is the what i like to call the 'agent;' the person whom I properly call myself, sort of like a looking glass, a self-concept based on my perceptions of others. Then I form some sort of opinion or logical explanation.

I just do not say, 'all women like bad boys, so it is better to treat women like shit,' without backing it up with facts or pointing out male flaws. I have never met a women in my lifetime, whom has hatred for a particular creed, without pointing out their flaws as well. It is as if they have none. I am taken aback by such rubbish. I have never met a women who has not blame men for all the wrongs they may have experience. Where is the female responsibility, accountability? When I see women point the finger at men, they do it as if they are always the victim. It has gotten SO bad, that men automatically apologize for just being men. As if there is something wrong with being a man. That my dear Moskvichka is just wrong, and I will always rebuke such notions as well.

That is my factoid.............

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Ever has it been that love knows not its own depth, until its hour of separation.

 

I think that you're preaching to the choir. You CHOOSE your life path, and with choices, comes responsibility and obligation to be objective about things. That's why you will never hear me complain about my husband. Maybe when I drive by expensive high rises with a view of the Hudson River and Manhattan, I do look at them longingly - but I don't open my mouth and blame my husband for not being rich, which is something I knew when I met him, yet made a choice to be with him.

Now, as far as there always being a reason when a man abuses his wife - let me tell you about my Russian friend. She was married back in Moscow to a man who drank. He would get drunk and beat her, and in the morning wouldn't remember what happened. He's look at her bruised body and ask: "What happened? Did you fall?" She'd say, "Yeah, I fell on your fist."

And I'll be damned if I say, "Russian men are drunkards and abusers, and Russian women are innocent victims." I know one Russian dude who went to Moscow and a woman took him to a restaurant where he ended up spending $500.00 for lunch. He said to her, next time at least tell me it's an expensive place, maybe I don't have that kind of money on me! She just laughed - you Americans are rich. Innocent victim my a...s!

 

LOL! preaching the choir heh? I was only talking in reference to those who debate can not separate emotion from logic when trying to prove a point. I keep forgetting to dumb down my post, so people can understand me, my mistake. My apologies. LOL!

Beside Manhattan is a dump, it's filthy, and smelly; full of ignorant, rude, loud mouth idiots, London is much better. Even going through a series of terrorist attacks London still is better then Manhattan. They are even hosting the Olympics to prove it.

 

sasha, we have already discussed this I see

 

Question about russian women,...............................

i am alexis, i am russian girl. i have been with America since i was two years old. i come to here by the blessings of God, and his will.

my family is grateful one so much. my daddy was killed there in revolution so i am proud of him so much please.

we are people of this world too, we feel things deeply also. we are people of passion, and great strengths. we are also ones of whom think with large eyes. we are people,

 

Question about russian women,...............................

i am alexis, i am russian girl. i have been with America since i was two years old. i come to here by the blessings of God, and his will.

my family is grateful one so much. my daddy was killed there in revolution so i am proud of him so much please.

we are people of this world too, we feel things deeply also. we are people of passion, and great strengths. we are also ones of whom think with large eyes. we are people,



alexis