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I wish you nothing but success!

 

Excellent 4north1side. Certifications are my top goals for the next five year plan that I have. I have fulfilled getting the college end (my masters degree in Management Information Systems, MIS). I'm working on the technical skills side now in getting certfied in ten planned certifications in the next few years. CISCO certifications are my top goals. Again, thanks, the only failures I will experience will be my own. BUT, I'm committed to succeed.

 

Make it do what it do!

 

It's all good that you all are trying to get your certs however, a lot of people in the I.T industry frown on braindumps. Just make sure you actually learn some of the material.

 

Noted. I use the braindumps simplty as a guide. I still use the old approach of using legitmate certification books and guides for preparation to take the tests. Currently I'm preparing for three certs, The A+ Exam, Network +, and Security +.

 

When I was in school they were passed around but, the teacher/owner of the school refused to let us use them until we knew the material and, passed the school's own test (which was much harder).

I wish you luck.

 

Thank you my friend. The school that I'm attending is below:

http://www.ecpi.edu/

I'm in the school of technology program. We had a school seminar recently from some of the heads of major IT companies in our area. The thing that was emphasized is that we are living in a world of fast pace that is getting faster. CIO's and other IT exceutives tell us that they will be looking for the most agile workers who are flexible and best able to embrace change. The challenge for the IT professional will be to find ways to adopt new technology and not break the business by doing it but, be able to exploit the advantage of it. The IT professional need to have the key attribute of workforce creativity in that future work enviornments will become increasingly open, collaborative and creative. Bro, it use to be physical strength that mattered, then it was intellectual work. In the future it will be creativity of the worker and having the ability to make unexpected connections and the ability to adapt.

 

As an employee in a hiring position at one of the companies listed, I can tell you that certifications without relevant work experience will usually work against you more than it works for you.

Employers are not blind to the fact that it is very easy to obtain certifications with the use of these type of exam crams. I recently interviewed a candidate with an MCSE, several Cisco and several Citrix certifications, yet he was relatively new to IT AND he had no sys/net admin experience. This basically told us that his asking price was higher than his true experience level.

 

What counts for real work experience though? Like if my boy was my IT guy and only worked on my home business stuff does that count?
Like right now I'm getting dozens of requests to do taxes and I wonder can I count that as experience since I'm not at a notable firm.

 

So true what you say. My strategy in getting around the experience factor right now is working three hours a day at a IT office for free as an Intern. The experience along with the certifications and degrees should put me in a good position to get a job I will be targeting in the future.

 

Most common thing in IT is to start at the bottom and work your way up. The IT market is so saturated with potential employees that employers have the opportunity to be very choosy.

I think the most proven method of advancing in IT is to start off on Help Desk or some type of entry level position and move up through the ranks from there. Even with a degree and certifications, someone with experience will generally get priority consideration. The problem with IT is, once you reach a certain level... like 6-figures working for Microsoft, IF you lose that job for any reason you better hope to land in Google, Facebook, or some other premier IT shop. Bobs law office will probably not pay even half of what you're used to getting.

 

Damn that sucks. I better start doing some tax shit on the side to keep up with what's going on out there since experience is way more important than education.

 

That's how it is In IT.... I don't know how it is in other areas.

 

:smt023 Give me someone with 5 years experience handling the OS of the type of system I'm hiring for, and someone with 30 certifications, a degree and no experience and I'm going for the high school grad with 5 years experience every time.

 

Absolutely agree with this. I'd say Operations is another way to start, if you can get it. That tends to put you more in line to go into systems admin or eventually systems engineer on larger systems than a help desk position will. If you're more interested in desk top type of stuff, by all means go for help desk positions.

I was lucky to start when I did - I started at the bottom but in an IT Security department for a large bank, back when being alive and smart enough to learn on your feet and willing to bust your ass were the only qualifications. I worked my way through Security Admin, Security Architect, Application Support and into Systems Engineer. Security was a *huge* advantage because it not only gave me a niche skill which was helpful to other departments to have, but it exposed me to both application and systems stuff much more than I'd have been in another job.

Once you hit high 5 (over 80K) or low 6 figures hang on for dear life, because unless you're willing to pick up and move, are lucky as hell and have exactly the right niche skills at the right time, you're shit out of luck if you lose your job. I have friends who routinely pulled down $100/hr as contractors in the late 90's and now are lucky to get offered 30/hr.

You reach a certain point where you price yourself out of the market. If you have 20 years experience, it's a lot cheaper for someone to hire someone with 5 years experience and teach them than to hire you.

 

The one part you left off is that a lot of companies will look at your experience and determine that your asking price is going to be too high. Even if you tell them that you're Ok with the 40 or 50k that they're paying, they'll assume that you're only going to take their position until you find something better (and they're right).

This is where I am now! If / when I'm let go, I'm hoping to take that generous comp package and move to an eco community in Central America. Not trying to run this race again....

 

You're absolutely right about that, Jaisee. You're told you are "overqualified" which means they think they can hire two guys in Mumbai more inexpensively.

Good luck on getting the generous comp package - I've got a friend going through this process right now, and they are really screwing him over. I got screwed over too, but I guess the silver lining is I was eligible for LTD and cannot do the 80 hour weeks anymore. I don't know what I'd have done if I'd been straight out laid off. 2 weeks pay for every year with the company is now considered incredibly 'generous.'

 

My company generally does 2 weeks base plus 2 weeks for every year you've worked there. Any accrued vaca time is give at half pay. Hopefully that doesn't change before I get the axe.

 

Damn its going down like that fam? You sure of that?

 

Positive.