Would you have guessed that SHE used to be a HE?

so i see a couple of you defending this he/she secret as if your life depended on it...i get that as a woman you may be celebrating a man becoming a woman and being supportive of her new sisterhood...butttttttttt can you imagine what it is like to be a man and be deceived by a he/she because that person did not disclose their transformation...if i was a guy i would be pissed...some of these he/shes turn out to look alot like women...i can usually tell by the feet if it used to be a man and then there is the adams apple...love how this gets blurred or shaded in pictures...there is another thread of suspect pictures that i am pretty sure are men now...

 

There's a plastic surgery procedure TGs have done that shaves down their adam's apple. That's old skool to think that a bony neck bump will tell you if they were born female.

 

okay then let's take a look at their feet...you want some he/she feet rubbing you on your body during the night while you are sleeping then more power to you...you do realize that if you are romancing a he/she white woman that she used to be a white man:roll:

 

Paris Hilton has biggol man feet. And if you've ever seen or been around runway models, plenty of them are bigfoots.

Look, given a choice, a REAL woman has no competition from anyone but another woman. The voice, scent, texture of skin, hair, body, etc. It's really hard to replicate. There's an emotional AND physical attraction I have for GGs, like most men.

Little secret, when I was really young, I was SHOCKED to learn that girls didn't have a pee pee. At the time I didn't understand it. So for me I think there's a psychological root to my interest.

All I'm saying is, for that rare maybe 1% of TGs, you wouldn't know unless they told you.
They're unclockable.

 

sounds like you are speaking from experience...good luck with that:mrgreen:

 

SMH. Must friends with Paniro. Just saying you can't always tell.

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That is your belief, but it is not the reality.

 

In a post op transgendered woman, the adams apple has been shaved down, the facial bones altered to a more feminine structure, breasts have been added by hormones and sometimes augmented with breast enlargement, genitalia have been altered. I'm not sure what you think you're seeing, perhaps some pre-op or partially transitioned women.

I'm not being supportive of sisterhood, I'm just a bit more enlightened on the topic for having studied it some, and having had some transgendered friends. Some folk here are acting like these women are drag queens. It's an ENTIRELY different thing.

 

Lmaooooo

 

i don't really care if someone wants to be another gender...i just don't think people should lie about it or conceal their true gender...it really is just that simple for me...i consider a man that portrays himself as a woman and claims to be a woman a farce...he is a he...or let's just be real a he/she...

 

It isnt that they "want to be" another gender, it is that they ARE the gender they are transitioning to. They are not cross dressers - not "portraying" a woman, they *are* a woman.

 

IMO people are confusing drag queens/cross dressers with transgendered people(born in the wrong body).

 

Her true gender IS a woman, that's why she transitioned. Lippy I suspect you're too hung on the appearance thing and not understanding the gender dysmorphia at the based of transgenderism.

Years ago, I didn't either - took some work and research on my part to come to where I am about it, but the more I learned, the more I understood. A transgender woman isn't a farce or "claiming" anything. She IS a woman.

 

Agreed. Two totally different things.

 

If you did understand you would not have used the term transsexual, and your last paragraph wouldn't have existed. It's clear from what you've said that you truly do *not* understand transgenderism

 

Pan..........there are people who are born with ambiguous sex organs. They are not fully male or fully female. What about them?? They should have no semblence of a normal life?

I only know of this because I used to work in finance/accting in a hospital. I did audit and I was handed a chart from a baby that was born and it had no sex listed. The chart said parents are deciding. The baby had the insides of a female and the outsides resembled somewhat of a male per the nurse in OB who I asked wtf is this????? She said the parents can decide if they will go with boy or girl and the Drs would do surgery later to try to make the child as normal as possible.

So there are mistakes in birth. So when you say people should be what they are born. Some people are defective physically or emotionally and things have to be fixed. Should they never have love or sex!!!?????????

 

I guess that this is the sort of thing that Jordan is alluding to about the potential of birth dysmorphia. As I mentioned earlier in this discussion, I saw another documentary featuring a woman, and she looked more masculine, but had only a been born with a vagina, though she was infertile.


http://video.nationalgeographic.com...videos/av-7093-7308/ngc-intersex-soldier.html

Klinefelter syndrome is a chromosomal condition that affects male sexual development. Males with this condition typically have small testes that do not produce enough testosterone, which is the hormone that directs male sexual development before birth and during puberty. A shortage of testosterone during puberty can lead to breast enlargement (gynecomastia), reduced facial and body hair, and an inability to father children (infertility). Older children and adults with Klinefelter syndrome tend to be taller than other males their age. Compared with other men, adult males with Klinefelter syndrome have an increased risk of developing breast cancer and a chronic inflammatory disease called systemic lupus erythematosus. Their chance of developing these disorders is similar to that of normal adult females.
Boys with Klinefelter syndrome may have learning disabilities and difficulty with speech and language development. They tend to be quiet, sensitive, and unassertive, but personality characteristics vary among males with this condition.
Most males with Klinefelter syndrome have one extra copy of the X chromosome in each cell. Variants of Klinefelter syndrome involve more than one extra X chromosome or extra copies of both the X and Y chromosomes in each cell. These conditions tend to have more severe signs and symptoms than classic Klinefelter syndrome. In addition to affecting male sexual development, variants of Klinefelter syndrome are associated with intellectual disability, distinctive facial features, skeletal abnormalities, poor coordination, and severe problems with speech.

 

It's an understandable position to take, Charles and honestly, a lot of people would hold that perspective as well. Honesty about who they are and what they once were.

However, human sexuality isn't easy to define as "black & white" as what most people would like to believe. What we recognize in the given terms of society is the limited knowledge we have based on expections. And for most of us, it's difficult to even understand or acknowledge such realities when something different challenges their worldview.

This whole thread is a testament to all that, especially for the males here. We as the heterosexual population of males, fancy the beauty of a woman, especially what's touted as nice in mainstream society. If this thread didn't point out her being born a man, then certainly there would many perverted discussions about what to do with her and sexually blissful. But, since she was born a man, we have a different take on the whole person.

The fact is, she challenged the whole idea of one's sexuality and masculinity.
Never mind the fact that she has the physical qualities that a guy would ache for in a woman. Now that we know she was once a man, the whole idea just seems nasty and "perverted." To add injury to your own ego, you throw the "homosexual" label around because of something you have a hard time comprehending. It's one thing to reject her because of lack of honesty. But to completely go on a juvenile and immature rampage only tells those people that your personal reactions could be best described as insecure of your own masculinity and sexuality.

I could go on with the rest of this, but I've made my case in this thread when it started up a long time ago.

We still have a ways to go to fully understand sexuality as a whole, but for now, the best course of action is simply live within what you feel is right.

 

One thing we both can agree upon is the fact that there has to be transparency regarding both parties are to consider some mutual relationship.

 

You're saying that you would want a woman, who was born with a vagina, to disclose her genetic history to you, at the outset of a relationship, before there was any real romantic or emotional connection? How is it fair to her to make such a revelation?