Women Damaged by Gay Father growing up.

The issue here is that you possess a personal emotional reason, and not a rational one. Ever gave any thought about why you felt that? Have you even spoken to gays who adopt children or even bothered to read into the research. Such excuses like that were used to justify anti-interracial fervor as well. Of course, if you were white, you'd be less sympathetic of either one of those cases. But since you're a man of color with an interest of white women, you tend to see people as being ignorant of the matter, yes?

By the way, I do admire you being consistent with traditional conservatism. One element missing from the mainstream conservative movement would be "individual freedom" as one of the defining elements of that political term. By that, you have my respect, despite disagreements.

 

Whoa there lil mama, I'mma need you to slow your roll. :smt079

 

Okay you dog-fucking piece of shit. Want to play? We'll play. Look here you pro-bestial trashy bastard, if you even had any lick of common sense, let alone any reading comprehension skills, you'd see I HAVE stated that bad parenting is bad parenting regardless of sexual orientation, but apparently your sickly ass wish to ignore that, let alone what the video is actually promoting and it says so in the damn information.

If the basis of the video did not specify that the point of it is not support gay adoption, then everything would have been perfectly fine for discussion. But no, that's not the case. The video implies that gay adoptions are bad, even in the face of a good household, and yet your retarded ass want to ignore that? You need to get Lassie's dick out the funky cunt of yours and actually pay-a-fucking-attention for once because your crazy ass have been out of line with your overly-passionate pathetic ass and I'm not afraid to say this to you either.

 

Yeah that cunto called me a jackass. He starts shit that trust I will finish.

 

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

John Adams, 'Argument in Defense of the Soldiers in the Boston Massacre Trials,' December 1770
US diplomat & politician (1735 - 1826)

 

How is it not natural? How is it more or less natural than single parenting in the case of divorce, death of a spouse, or the parents not marrying?

 

I'm only stating the facts here. And as I've said, I do respect your viewpoint and you've explained yourself well enough, so yes, there's no further need to discuss it. However, you're still undermining the reality of what's been brought on the table, which is the issue here.

 

A lot of people *still* object to interracial couples having children, ostensibly because it will be "harder" on the children, just as is said by people who oppose LGBT families having children.

 

Paniro, homosexuality occurs in nature, therefore its natural. Even non-human animals engage in homosexual acts. The fact is that it's about what feels good and pleasure is part of it.

Of course. People wouldn't give it a second thought unless it affects them directly.

 

Trying? No, dear. I'm simply quoting one of the founders on the issue of facts.

For every adult you bring forward who was fucked up growing up in a gay household, I can bring forth 100 who were fucked up growing up in a straight household.

 

Apparently it is, since there are homosexual relationships in the animal kingdom.
Marriage isn't natural to begin with. It's a cultural idea, not an innately biological one.

 

It's not a "hiccup" as you want to believe. Homosexuality existed since the beginning of life. It's just that society had pretty difficult time comprehending homosexuality, especially in more puritanical societies ruled under Abrahamic religions.

 

Again, I don't give two fucks on who is promoting it- stick to effin content! A woman is telling you that her experience was negative. No question if this was a negative experiences in a mother/father household and used to support pro-gay households, you'd be drinking a load in celebration.

Furthermore, in your initial responses, you claim that anyone who doesn't scream from the rafters in support of gay parenting/adoption is a homosexual themselves. That bullshit is so fucking tired.

We get it BBW- you're gay and you promote it and hell be damned if someone doesn't agree with your lifestyle. As for your "beasitality" obsession, while I know many women would chose it over fucking you, I'm betting $5 and a canolli that your dry dick is this close to abusing some poor puppy's ass.

 

Liberals, including those of the flaming type, are a significant part of the reason why you have opportunities you'd not have had a generation ago, and why you can legally marry a WW if you choose, and have children with her.

And for the record? I'm pretty up on the founders, so feel free. They *were* revolutionaries, you know.

 

You don't have to agree with it, or want to participate in it. But you've no right to determine the reproductive lives or adoption practices of other people, gay, straight, or martian.

 

Asshole, did you EVEN bother reading the fucking information on that video? Here, I'll help you.

Clearly the video shows that bad parenting exists everywhere, regardless of where they are raised. But it's also anti-gay bias. I'm sticking to the damn topic, yet your stupid ass insist that I'm not. Look carefully and maybe you'll learn something.

And for the record, your statement is clearly false because I criticize bad households period. Where did you get that shitty bit of info? From the doghouse? Bitch, please!

Look no further than the likes of Larry Craig and other politicians who have hid their sexual orientation from the masses because they would be outed and ostracized and the their voting is contrary to their personal hidden sex life. If you're ignoring something as simple as this, then you're too damn blind to see.

Yeah, echo the same nonsense other homophobic jackasses accuses me of and ignore the fact that unlike you, I'm consistent with equal rights for people and equality and equal treatment for people based on race, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. And your crazy ass can't see that because you know damn well you're more likely to give stray dog with rabies the benefit of the doubt if it mauls an infant human to death. Grow the fuck up!

 

In ancient Greece, homosexuality was a given - men were *expected* to have male lovers.

The Greeks sorta came up with a few little ideas like democracy, which we laud, but we tend to overlook this fact.

 

We often do because we tend to ignore those bits of history. This probably is caused by certain forms of education until we attend college.

 

And yet another anti-gay rights legislator caught soliciting a young man for paid sex

Rep Hinckle Caught in Rendevouz

From today's Star:
Emails shared with The Indianapolis Star suggest that state Rep. Phillip Hinkle -- responding to a local posting on Craigslist -- offered a young man $80 plus tip to spend time with him Saturday night at the JW Marriott hotel.

The emails, sent from Hinkle's publicly listed personal address, ask the young man for "a couple hours of your time tonight" and offer him cash up front, with a tip of up to $50 or $60 "for a really good time."

The email exchange is in response to the Craigslist posting in which the young man -- who lists his age as 20 in the ad but says he is 18 years old -- says, "I need a sugga daddy."

The young man told The Star that they met, but that he tried to leave after the man told him he was a state lawmaker. He said the lawmaker at first told him he could not leave, grabbed him in the rear, exposed himself to the young man and then later gave him an iPad, BlackBerry cellphone and $100 cash to keep quiet.

When contacted by The Star about the emails, Hinkle, a Republican who represents portions of Pike and Wayne townships, did not contest the emails but said, "I am aware of a shakedown taking place."

Asked what he meant by shakedown, Hinkle would not elaborate. He directed further questions to his attorney.

Hinkle's lawyer, defense attorney Peter Nugent, said he was unable to say what Hinkle meant by a "shakedown." Nugent said he is investigating the situation, but he does not know what happened Saturday. Nugent said he has not filed a police report and does not yet know whether he will.

Asked whether he had seen the emails and the Craigslist posting, Nugent said, "Oh, I've seen some emails, but not all of them." He would not be more specific.

"I'm trying to get to the bottom of everything involved," Nugent said.

On Wednesday, Nugent faxed this "official statement":

"Representative Hinkle is aware of the inquiries by The Indianapolis Star and we are investigating the matter at this time. We request that everyone respect the privacy of the family at this time."

Hinkle, 64, who lists his occupation as coordinator for community partnerships for Wayne Township Schools on the Indiana House website, has been a state lawmaker since 2000. He is best known in the Statehouse for his interest in local government issues. On the website, he also notes he was a co-author of the bill that created the "In God We Trust" license plate.

The young man, Kameryn Gibson, told The Star he posted the Craigslist ad in the "Casual Encounters" section under m4m, which is shorthand for men for men. He used his adopted sister's email address.

Gibson said he and the man met but that they did not have sex. He and the sister, Megan Gibson, flatly denied any shakedown.

"I wasn't shaking him down, at all," Kameryn Gibson said.

Megan Gibson said she contacted The Star because she thought Hinkle's actions were "creepy" and, given his stature, that his actions should be made public.

Megan Gibson also provided the email exchange, which she forwarded to The Star. She also allowed a reporter to inspect the emails, which she had kept, on her smartphone. The phone contained not only the email exchange but a call log that showed phone calls from numbers that match both Hinkle's cellphone and home phone.

The Craigslist ad was posted at 7:37 a.m. Saturday. The ad shows two pictures of Kameryn Gibson, shirtless with pants pulled below the top of his underwear.

The ad's text features one written line: "Email me and I'll tell you everything you need to know!"

Forty-seven minutes later, he received a response from phinkle46 @comcast.net, with the email signature "Sent from Phil's iPad."

"Cannot be a long time sugar daddy," the email reads, "but can for tonight. Would you be interested in keeping me company for a while tonight?"

The email offers "to make it worth (your) while" in cash, and offers a personal description: "I am an in shape married professional, 5'8", fit 170 lbs, and love getting and staying naked."

Fifteen minutes later, Kameryn Gibson replied: "Yes I can!" He also sent along his phone number.

What followed was an email exchange between phinkle46 @comcast.net and Kameryn Gibson. One email from Hinkle's account asks "what will make you happy for giving me a couple hours of your time tonight?"

Gibson: "Wat (sic) can you give me?"

Phinkle46 @comcast.net: "How about $80 for services rendered and if real satisfied a healthy tip? That make it worth while?"

The two agreed on the price and discussed logistics. An email sent at 9:44 a.m., also with the signature "Sent from Phil's iPad" and sent from Hinkle's personal account, lays clear the parameters for the tip: "Final for the record, for a really good time, you could get another 50, 60 bucks. That sound good?"

Later, about 5 p.m., phinkle46 @comcast.net offered to pick up the young man at his Westside home and drive him to the JW Marriott hotel.

The final emails from phinkle46 @comcast.net come from a BlackBerry. One such email suggests: "If u want to consider spending night u might tell ur sis so she won't worry. Would have u back before 11 tomorrow. No extra cash just free breakfast and maybe late night snack."

Gibson responds only with his address. At 8:45 p.m., he receives one final email from phinkle46 @comcast.net: "I am here in parking lot between bldg 1 and 2. U here?"

The email exchange contains no mention of sex acts.

Brad Banks, supervisor of the D Felony Division at the Marion County prosecutor's office, explained -- without being provided details of the emails -- that prostitution in the state of Indiana is defined as an agreement between two parties to have sex in exchange for money and that the agreement must be about both sex and money.

Kameryn Gibson provided the following account of what happened after that final email from phinkle46 @comcast.net.

He said Hinkle picked him up in a white car -- his suit jacket was hanging in the backseat.

When they arrived at the hotel, Gibson said he was given the room key and told to go into the hotel. They couldn't go in together, Gibson was told. About 15 minutes later, Hinkle arrived in the room, changed into a towel and then during small talk informed Gibson he was a lawmaker.

Gibson said the man showed him an identification card.

The ID, Gibson said, gave a name: Phillip Hinkle.

"My eyes got big," Gibson told The Star. "I didn't really know what to say, so I didn't say anything. It was just a shock."

Gibson said he had posted on Craigslist before but had never met up with someone. Knowing he was in a bedroom with a politician, Gibson said, he got cold feet.

"Yeah, I don't want to do this," Gibson said he told Hinkle.

He said Hinkle's response was: "You need to do this, because I came and got you, and I'm not taking you back until we do what we need to do."

Gibson excused himself to the bathroom. There, he called his sister Megan. She said she would come get him immediately.

When Gibson came out, he said Hinkle told him he couldn't leave. Gibson called his sister again. This time, Megan told him to put her on speakerphone.

"I started cussing him," Megan told The Star. She also threatened to call the police and the local media.

"He said, 'I'll give you whatever,'" Megan said.

But when they hung up, Kameryn Gibson said Hinkle grabbed him by the right arm, just below the shoulder. Gibson said it was then that Hinkle grabbed him in the rear, dropped his towel and sat down on the bed -- naked.

When Megan Gibson arrived to pick up her brother, she again threatened to call police and the local media.

Kameryn and Megan Gibson said Hinkle then offered his iPad, a BlackBerry and $100 in cash.

Kameryn Gibson walked past his sister and out of the room as she continued to yell at Hinkle.

"She was still going off," Kameryn Gibson said, "and I was like, 'OK, I think that's enough, I think he gets it.' "

Megan Gibson said that on the drive back, she began receiving a series of calls on the BlackBerry, including one from a woman who said she was Hinkle's wife.

"I was like, 'Your husband is gay,' " Megan said. "And then she was like, 'You have the wrong person.' "

Megan read her the email address: phinkle46 @comcast.net.

The line went silent.

"Just for a couple seconds," Megan Gibson said, "and the first thing she said was, 'Please don't call the police.' "

Phone messages left with Hinkle's wife late Thursday were not returned.

Megan Gibson said she then began receiving a series of calls from various family members -- including from Hinkle's son-in-law, demanding that his wife see proof of the emails.

Megan Gibson dropped off her brother then returned to the JW Marriott, where she showed Hinkle's daughter the emails.

Megan Gibson said on her way back, she received another call from Hinkle's wife.

"The first thing she said, she was like, 'OK, we will give you $10,000 not to say anything,' " said Megan Gibson, who said she was now becoming scared. "I was like, 'OK,' and I hung up the phone."

She soon got another call -- from the Marriott hotel. It was Hinkle. Megan Gibson told Hinkle that she had informed his wife and family that he was gay.

Megan Gibson said Hinkle's response was: "You just ruined me."

 

Oh no, not you too BBW. :smt090 Both of you, to the corner RIGHT NOW and apologize.