tyler perry and spike lee drama

well neither Spike nor Tyler in all this time have said that a private conversation ever occurred..in fact perry has said that spike has never approached him in private.

Now look at that..Bill Cosby an older, more experienced black celebrity approached the young, at the time more popular blck celebrity in PRIVATEand told him what he thought of his act and behavior. Now what exactly did spike lee do in a public venue that was anything like that?? Where was the constructive criticism...what.."we can do better."?? there's nothing constructive about that.

And like Eddie said in his joke about Bill's criticism...Tyler said the same thing..TELL SPIKE TO HAVE A COKE AND A SMILE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP:lol:

 

Spike should make movies that can make money instead of dissing Perry. Action speaks louder than words.

 

I couldn't agree with you more bruh. In my opinion he's a fuckin hater.

 

yeah but eddie ended up doing for family type movies....cosby like type movies with a bit of an edge. look a ice cube doing the same exact thang. BILL WAS RIGHT to a point

 

Why would spike hate on a non-entity in movie making like tyler perry ? Please.

 

Thats how its done in these modern A.D.D. days... Success is measured by your last paycheck and how often your face is cycled on TV. :drinkers:

 

Many people, myself included, think that his game is already up to par. This shouldn't be confusing, it's just your point of view.

The "quality" of a movie isn't necessarily defined by its commercial appeal and box office success. There have been plenty of movies that achieved commercial success only because they had the "right" actors or a subject that appealed to people, think "Birth of a Nation". I'm sure if we think about it we all know of more contemporary films that achieved commercial success despite being viewed at poor films by many.

During his interview Spike asked a repeated rhetorical question, "But can we do better?". Arguably, he's attempting to rally black people with this question rather than create a division. IMO, he's asking whether Black people shouldn't insist on a standard of art, at this juncture in our history, that doesn't always support a stereotypical viewpoint of African Americans. It's no different than similar comments made by Bill Cosby in what has been referred to as his "airing out of Black problem" at the NAACP dinner. Black comedians have also commented on the decline in the quality of Black comedy. They suggest that the new influx of comedians is trying to ride the commercial coattails of great artists before them by using slap stick and profanity, without understanding or embracing the messages racial intolerance and political awareness of those before them.

Spike alludes to a time of Minstrel shows that were popular because White actors appeared in black-face and perpetuated stereotypes. Later, Black actors were forced to appear in black face as well and continue this tradition, if they expected to work. They were popular and they made a lot of money because they supported what White America perceived as a Black American.

His point is that this is a different time, and we are no longer forced to appear in black-face, so should we, figuratively speaking, and can we do better. His argument is definitely one of form over substance, an intellectual appeal to consider the cost of continuing what he views as perpetuating a stereotypical view of Black America.

Should every director be free to pursue his art, absolutely. The question is deeper than that, it's about holding ourselves to a higher standard. Consider how Spike's question different than the one regarding the celebration that occurred after Bin Laden's death, or the art of Mapplethorpe that's has been banned because people are uncomfortable with seeing nude children and adults in art together. The issue is not whether Tyler Perry's movies or tv shows are art, or that they are successful, it's whether the subject sends the wrongs message in a time when we have attained so much but still fight for equality on so many fronts.

 

Glad to see you two "get it". Well stated on both accounts.

 

Im not a TP (toilet paper oh I mean tyler perry) fan at all but he has his hustle. I just dont like the throw bro under the bus thang

 

I understand what you are saying here. However, even this is subject to opinion. Whereas you feel that black men are somehow being demonized, the overwhelming majority of black men do not feel this way or else I would not see so many of them in the theatres at Tyler's movies. Nor should they be made to feel as though they are being subject to something evil to which they are not educated enough to realize. Truthfully, I feel that some of you are simply overly sensitive in your hunt for the demonization of black men when the probem is usually right in their backyard. Men like this will not only hate Tyler's work but will also dislike the works of other black producers like Tracey E. Edmonds - producer of Jumping The Broom. I saw this movie last night. A very good film. But even then, I wondered if this one would also be hated by some on this thread. I guess it is simply a matter of what one likes, but one thing it does not do is make people feel that black men are evil or no good. I have never feel anything negative towards black men after watching any of Tyler's work. But for whatever reason his movies strike a nerve, so be it. You simply boycott his work and encourage others to do the same. Some will agree but others like myself will continue to enjoy his work. He is one black man that has come a long ways and is owned by no man including Hollywood. That says a lot about a black man to me. Again, I say that Spike needs to step his game up and quit hating. It is hard to sling mud without getting some on yourself.

 

Tyler Perry is more successful and got way more money than Spike Lee. Spike Lee been out for almost 3 decades while Tyler Perry been out for like ten year, yet Spike Lee can't touch his money. Get your fact straight before you open your son. Spike Lee has all the reason in the world to hate on Tyler Perry.

 

trust me money is not the issue

 

An issue is not subject to opinion, it stands on its own. The question of where you line up on either side of the issue is another matter.

My sense is that you have no clue as the percentage of men or number of men who attend his movies, versus women. You just offer up some comment in an attempt to support your position. But, even assuming for the sake of argument that you could prove out the numbers of men going, you equally haven't a clue as to how they feel about his films. It's just as plausible to suggest that the men don't go willingly but are asked or persuaded to go by women who disproportionately enjoy his films.

Again, you are creating as issue where there is none. Nowhere in my comments do I suggest "demonizing" of men. This is a figment of imagination, like your suggestion of sensitivity. Rather, the issue I allude to is whether his films pay honor to the current state of Black America, which has nothing to do with education but enlightenment. I hope that you can see those are radically different concepts.

Commenting on another filmmaker of color does not bring more validity to your position, in the same way that you sole opinion of his films offer up in no concrete way the feelings of other White people or Black people.

Once more your choice of language leads to unsupported and bare assertion. I never once said that I boycotted his movies. I make a decision not to see them because I don't enjoy his movies, in much the same way that I don't boycott red meat, I simply prefer not to eat it.

Your analysis lacks any persuasion because it advances nothing new, only your opinions. You say that he's successful, when that point is never at issue. What you call mudsling is one Black man's answer and appeal to thought. But, obviously you have the right, background, and historic insight to decide that Spike Lee doesn't have a clue...

 

Porn movie directors have more money than spike lee does that mean they are better movie makers?

 

Precisely!! I'm not sure if this is factually true, but your point is on the money. Commercial success does not equate to the quality of a film. Great point.

 

My sense is that you have no clue as the percentage of men or number of men who attend his movies, versus women. You just offer up some comment in an attempt to support your position.

But, even assuming for the sake of argument that you could prove out the numbers of men going, you equally haven't a clue as to how they feel about his films. It's just as plausible to suggest that the men don't go willingly but are asked or persuaded to go by women who disproportionately enjoy his films.

Again, you are creating as issue where there is none.

Nowhere in my comments do I suggest "demonizing" of men. This is a figment of imagination, like your suggestion of sensitivity. Rather, the issue I allude to is whether his films pay honor to the current state of Black America, which has nothing to do with education but enlightenment. I hope that you can see those are radically different concepts.

Commenting on another filmmaker of color does not bring more validity to your position, in the same way that you sole opinion of his films offer up in no concrete way the feelings of other White people or Black people.

Once more your choice of language leads to unsupported and bare assertion. I never once said that I boycotted his movies. I make a decision not to see them because I don't enjoy his movies, in much the same way that I don't boycott red meat, I simply prefer not to eat it.

Your analysis lacks any persuasion because it advances nothing new, only your opinions.

You say that he's successful, when that point is never at issue. What you call mudsling is one Black man's answer and appeal to thought. But, obviously you have the right, background, and historic insight to decide that Spike Lee doesn't have a clue...

 

If Tyler Perry wasn't as successful as he is do you think Spike Lee would have anything to say about him?

That's like comparing apples and oranges. My point is Tyler Perry has been way more successful than Spike Lee.

He has made quality films as well as a lot of comedies.

 

I didn't post to you, I used your post as an opportunity for discussion of the subject. The purpose of interchange is to explore the issues, the logic and allow others to reach their own conclusions. I think that it's quite obvious in this case. Replies without logic ring empty, like this diatribe of generalizations. I have nothing else to say if you can't defend your position. Have a good evening.

 

Bullshit, you did post to me. Yeah, you wanted to discuss, but you choose to discuss it with me. To which I have no problem with that. That's what forums are for. I have my opinion and I am glad you've came to the conclusion that it is what it is. As, I've said before, I have no position which needs defending. I love Tyler's work and that's that. I love chocolate...why should I feel a need to defend that? Same with Tyler...there is no need to defend (as you've implied) something you like. I like red meat...you don't. What is there to defend? We simply agree to disagree about how good it is or isn't.:smt039

 

not all of the old comedians had biting satirical social messages in their humor. And the knock on eddie murphy back then was that he cursed too much. And eddie's stand up was almost totally devoid of political awareness.

An black artist should be allowed to be silly and not have to carry the cross of all of the ugly racial injustice this country's perpetrated upon black people.

whats the difference between a bad black comedy and cooning? or is there a difference?

Some italians hate the Jersey Shore because they find it embarrassing but if you ever watched it do YOU think that all italians behave that way?

While I believe that there should be more diversity in black cinema I don't think its Tyler Perry's fault that there isn't. There should be room for his style of comedy as well as others.