tyler perry and spike lee drama

Again, Martin wasn't held up as a cultural leader the way they're pumping up Tyler Perry to be.

Martin's heyday was also the heyday of Spike Lee, the tail-end of Cosby Show, the black rock of Living Colour and Lenny Kravitz, and Afrocentric Native Tongues hip-hop, so there was BALANCE in the black-o-sphere of the times. Not to mention his timeslot partner, the bourgie-riffic Living Single (which I loved by the way).

Comparing the young FOX network of '92 with the syndication audience of Meet the Browns/House of Payne, the latter probably has MORE viewers.

You are stretching as much as ol' boy trying to connect Tyler to Martin-slash-trying to offset Tyler's coonery. Ya'll both need to quit.

 

If you don't know when to run and when not to run in the hot sun, I shall not follow you!

so it was written so it was done!

 

Okay, there are some minstrel-ish antics in Martin, but as I said, overall it was funny. As Karma stated, he early 90s for black sitcoms were actually decent. Hell, even The Wayans Bros and Jamie Foxx Show were funny. The downfall didn't happen until the early-mis 2000s with the UPN shows (which at least were willing to give black sitcoms a chance). That died with the conception of the CW and then Tyler Perry's shows.

 

Quit what? I'll give you Spike Lee and Cosby, hell I'll even throw in Fresh Prince, but In living Color?? With cock-eyed cross-dressing Wanda, 2 fags snapping Z's that became synonymous with Black culture, an angry male clown, a militant IMPRISONED buffoon who couldn't spell/speak right, and last but not least, the gehttofiable Laquita? (Hell, even the White guy got a respectable title as Fire Marshall). Hardly notable as Black rock just because snippets of hip-hop dancing interluded the show. The Wayans as you know, have also been highly criticized for their movies too.

Living Single had a dumbass MALE janitor and his equally dumb g/f, Sinclaire, a gold digger in bourgie wanna-be, working retail Ragine, a free-loading non-stop eating lawyer Maxine who was man crazy - sheet, the only sane ones were Khadijah and Kyle. (who was the ONLY true Boughie one, lol). But it was all in the name of COMEDY(which YOU loved), right?

You need to quit coming down so hard on a man who has made movies that while you may not like, some of them don't deserve the wrath given.

 

I'll tell you this...black folk love AT LEAST.

 

Well, it gave justification for the major networks not to develop any black shows..."If UPN does them, no need for us to". I won't even go into the ill-fated Kevin Hill and lack of black dramas on network TV.

Other 90s sitcoms worth mentioning: Family Matters, Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, South Central (this could have been the mid-90s Cosby Show instead of The Parent 'Hood) and Me and the Boys (Steve Harvey's first sitcom a la My Three Sons).

 

ahh i remember that show

 

Ah, the days when black sitcoms were part of the TGIF lineup.

 

i love the 90s shows the most, lots of classics

 

Love you to bits but this is all just entertainment to you as a white woman so excuse me if I take your insights with a grain of rock salt. Your race isn't defined by bullshit so it's all good for you.

Living Single was about as coonish as the Cosby Show.

If you want to talk about the Martin or the Wayans Bros. make another thread, you're deflecting. We are talking about TYLER VS. SPIKE

I can come down as hard on Tyler Perry as I want to. You're bending your curvy ass backwards to defend him. And from the little edge in your writing you're taking it a wee bit personal? LOL

 

Spike's films will stand the test of time, while Tyler's films were just made as a quick cash cow that catered to single black (church) women.

 

I don't like Martin myself to the point I never watch his show. Perry on the other hand as I say repeatedly struck a chord. His movies does not suggest to tell Black women to go for men of other races or degrade the Black man further. Buffonery did not make Perry rich it is pride.

 

Don't forget the producers of Friends took most of the ideas from Living Single.

 

Oh yeah babe, please know the love it always there..just a spirited debate, that's all

Ok, nope, it's not personal to me because I have never been able to sit through any one of his famous movies all the way through (except Daddy's little Girls (because of Idra). I just think its easy to pile on him because he is currently successful and I question if Spike's criticism doesn't also come from a place of jealousy on some level. I mean, how can Spike talk when he used sooo many stereotypes in Jungle Fever (ugh).

I also noted earlier to smoovedaddy that Married With Children is pure (awesome) white trash, but I am secure in the knowledge that the show doesn't reflect or define white households. So I can see why frustration might occur with Perry's sitcoms to you. I will say this though- I have caught The Browns in segments here and there and they aren't that coonish, c'mon now. It's not Stepin Fetchit like you make out. Mostly lots of husband vs wife jokes and relationship issues.

 

all you have is "mugging and ridiculous lead characters" ridiculous in what way exactly? And face mugging is a comedy staple shit bill cosby built a career on it as well as martin and the wayans and just about every comedian you can think of... if face mugging is your evidence then you don't have much if any to claim the black community is injured by TP's shows.. and I have watched them btw.

deflection...the three stooges are the kings of buffoonery period.

I've seen both saintly and evil characters in Perry movies...just because you'd rather focus on the evil black male characters doesn't mean he hasn't shown evil black female characters. thats just all you care to take away from it.

if someone has been the victim of abuse in some way then there is a victim and from what i've seen of TP films the wronged character usually get their resolution either by standing up to their abuser or in some spiritual manner.

 

who is holding tyler perry up as a cultural leader???

and just because tyler perry is at a time where is an "imbalance" in black culture is NOT his fault at all and its just plain moronic of spike and you to blame him for the lack of diversity in the culture at this point.

 

Oh yeah, I see School Daze in the annals of time-tested movies. And Mo Better Blues. Throw in He Got Game, and She's gotta Have it, which focuses on a woman messin' with 3 men at once, lol. Jungle fever sucked, Crooklyn, while visually stunning and captured the 70's, it was slow moving...

The fact is, Spike's masterpieces are Malcolm X..a...BIO epic.And Do The Right Thing, which provoked many feelings in people (even though he was heavy on the stereotypes),...along with some of his various good work in documentaries. Even his interpretation of Summer of Sam wasn't too bad - it was great visually. (Leguizamo made that movie). Other than that...what else defines his greatness as a Director?

 

For all the Perry Haters...

Just call 1 800-Choke-Dat-Hoe :smt080

Saw the movie last night. Hilarious. Very good movie indeed. Spike and Tyler are two very different entities. Sad to see Spike hatin' like he is. I'm also looking forward to seeing Jumping The Broom. Saw the previews. Produced by T.D. Jakes Looks like that's going to be a winner too.

 

This article sums up this whole debate very well. IMO Spike and Idris are 100% right, Perry caters to and perpetuates centuries old negative stereotypes. Such crap makes my blood boil.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/newsandviews/2008/09/new_tyler_perry_movie_new_wave.html

 

I was watching television the other day and I saw the trailer for a new Tyler Perry movie (and I use the word "movie" quite liberally because really, they're just plays on film), The Family That Preys. Now, I can honestly tell you that I have no idea what this film is about, nor do I care, but it just serves as a further example of the drivel that is often peddled off to me and other African Americans as art emblematic of our culture.

Again, I haven't seen this film nor do I intend to, but I'm pretty sure this is the synopsis...

-Black woman done wrong by black man.

-Black man is trifling.

-Black woman comes into conflict with other black woman (or the prototypical ancillary white girl) over aforementioned trifling black man

-They go to church.

-Black women are deified, black men are eviscerated.

-Everyone leaves happy.

-Movie makes $30 million in opening weekend.

The End.

this is what I'm talking about..that article was beyond asinine. Having seen The family that preys together I can say that that was not the plot in the least. And the fact that the poster and blogger both of whom clearly haven't seen the film in question yet STILL want to push their notion of what its about shows just how ridiculous this "debate" is.