tyler perry and spike lee drama

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Tyler Perry makes his money off old caricatures of black folks and black women's relationship scapegoats.

Only thing Spike did was call it what it is. And of course Tyler pulled the black on black hate card. Tyler wants to be left alone to make his money the same way the old Vaudeville shows did. Only without the stigma. And hes lucky most people today dont know their U.S. history enough to attach the stigma it deserves.

 

Black women love Tyler perry because he never shows the negative side of black women too much. It's always about the cheating brother and even if a sista cheats its because she caught her hubby cheating with a skunk ass ho' smgdfmh. He caters more to hood audience he needs to expand his horizon but i must admit has given me a lot of vocabulary and i can speak like a mofo who was raised in Compton(i am not proud of it though).

 

I spoke with a Perry fan and I agreed with her on some of the characters like the baby mama whose siren calls are irritating to the ears. Also involing Maury Povich maybe the characters but Madea?

 

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Spike Lee is a conscious Filmmaker, he comes from the 60's era where life was a lot harder for blk folks. To me Spike comes as someone who loves blk ppl and care where we at and which direction we're going. He uses his film to educate blk folks and to make a statement. He has advanced the career of many talented blk actors & I dont think he cares about money.

Perry in other hand is a young artist, who was homeless once and wants to create an empire by doing whatever. He knows there is market for bafoonery be it in blk or white community, so he is going to pimp out his film to get paid.

 

And I have to agree with Perry on this one. Spike has always been outspoken and keeps setting himself up as some kind of authority on blackness and its more than a bit annoying. His constantly harping about whats cooning and what setting black cinema and people back is especially ironic considering that his break through film featured a character that was steeped in the black male stereotype. Mars Blackmon (black man?) was a slang talking, unemployed, loudmouth who was clearly designed to represent a type. The same character Spike didn't mind appropriating for Nike so that they could sell grossly over priced sneakers to poor black kids (why do I get the feeling that if anyone else had done that Spike would be livid). In the film "She's Gotta Have It" the protagonist Nola Darling is dating three men simultaneously. Jamie Overstreet, an every man, Greer Childs, an arrogant preppy and Mars, best described as "street". All the characters were very broadly drawn to make a point. And that's what Spike is overlooking in his criticism of Perry's productions. Tyler Perry tells stories with exaggerated characters to make a point.

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Damn, false equivalency runs rampant in this day and age. You are stretching like Plastic Man to try and equate Mars Blackmon and Medea. Next you'll be telling me bullies and victims are equally to blame, rapists and their victims are equally at fault, and Democrats and Republicans are just alike.

Wow.

 

hmmm interesting take


I got to blame the people who to go to the movies and watch his crap.

 

at the end of the day mars and medea are both stereotypes...one is for social commentary and the other for comedy.

to call TP's style of comedy cooning is ridiculous and exaggerated. His comedies are BAD i'll give you that but they are not injurious to the black community in the least..

Is Perry's comedy buffoonery..yes but then all broad physical comedy usually is...the three stooges are buffoonery as well you don't see white people nashing their teeth because moe, larry and curly "set the race back"..

Amos and Andy and Stepin Fetchit were coons not beause they acted in exaggerated manners but because they were second class citizens and clearly subservient to whites and seemed to be okay with that.

What tyler perry characters take orders from whites in a slavish manner or act as second class citizens?

Spike Lee compared Perry's characters and shows to racist comedies of the 20s and 30s and vaudeville and he was wrong in doing so.

 

More fake equivalence.

You obviously haven't seen "Meet the Browns" and "House of Payne" both with mugging, ridiculous lead characters. Amos and Andy episodes and can be seen on YouTube, and they are like Ossie Davis and James Earl Jones compared to their modern-day counterparts.

At least them, Fetchit and Rochester were products of their times, what's Tyler's excuse?

The Three Stooges were Jews and don't count as they had their own journey in dealing with America as minorities, and not reflective of white society as a whole.

Perry's BW-uplifting themes often rise at the expense of the black male, like most African-American entertainment from the Color Purple till now.

Just as sistas claim to not support media that denigrates them, neither shall I support that which undermines me.

The female character(s) in She's Gotta Have It (and Girl 6) took total responsibility for herself and her sexuality and didn't play the blame game. I find it hilarious that Spike's got this anti-woman rap on his films because he doesn't play into black female histrionics.

OK I'm done here. Get your logic up if you wanna debate further.

 

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Comparing perry to spike is like comparing nas to lil wayne. Sure both are entertaining, but nas has "depth" lil wayne couldnt even dream of.

 

More like comparing Public Enemy to Lil Wayne.

 

I didnt find that trend you speak of in Daddy's Little Girls... in fact, it was the Black female ex who was caste in a questionable light...

"...This is a simple, touching story of two people trying to overcome their different backgrounds to find love, a down-on-his-luck man struggling to protect his children from abuse and neglect...
..A reverse-Cinderella tale centers on a successful attorney (Union) who falls in love with a financially challenged mechanic (Elba) who is a single father of three children. The relationship hits a snag when the mechanics ex-wife comes back into his life and threatens to take away their kids.."


In his huge hit Why Did I Get Married?, some of the women are made out to be as dysfunctional as some of the men.

"The big screen adaptation of Perry's stage play about the trials of marriage, and what happens to one family when a sexy young temptress arrives on the scene."

 

While you're at it, curious to know what your thoughts are on the show, Martin?

 

Martin was a modern day coon fest. Yeah it was funny, but I'm part of the brain dead hip hop generation, so that means if you didn't like Martin, you weren't hip.

 

Nobody was holding up Martin Lawrence as an example to the race like peeps are trying to do with Tyler Perry.

 

Plus Martin wasn't touted as Christian Entertainment.

 

You don't think that when it came to the Black community itself and Martin?
I think at the time the young Black generation related to Martin, because in one breath he touted the Black movement, and in the next breath he cut em up laughing with Otis, Momma Payne and shannane. Btw, wasn't 'you go girl" something Martin started which became associated with Black people ( even to Whites)?
I dunno, I think more Black family living rooms were watching Martin followed by Living Single, than are Watching Meet the Browns.

 

I'm actually re-enjoying Martin this second go round, really appreciating his comedic talent. I do cringe at some antics, but find myself laughing more.

Same thing with Married With Children. I am sooo enjoying it now that I can appreciate it for its underlying humor, which as a young girl I didn't 'catch' even though l loved to watch the show each week. I will say though that I'm thankful I don't have to wrestle with the possibility that MWC's marriage might be held as the example to the White community....which is not often the case for you, so I see how Perry's shows may frustrate you.