FELLAS WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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I just couldn't let that bullshit slide.

 

Dude. I said "historically". You're having a conversation with yourself about something I didn't say.

So, for the third time. Read carefully.

Historically, overweight women were sought out and thought to be more desirable than thin women because of the correlation between being overweight and having access to food. It was thought that an obese woman had no trouble getting food (and thus was likely wealthy to boot) and so she was the ideal partner. Skinny women were seen as a liability.... they might not have access to enough food and might not carry a child to term if she was starving. That and if you're starving, you don't get a period.

Now. I am not saying this is right, nor am I saying it is correct. What I am saying is that hundreds, maybe even thousands, of years of that mentality do not change in 50 years of science. We battle ourselves and evolution when discussing this topic. It is not gone from our innate selves quite yet.

Modern science has shown that obesity can cause fertility problems, but that doesn't change what's hard-wired in us still. We have a ways to go before it is gone.

 

I dentifying a problem or making an observation doesn't mean I agree with it you dumb fuck but as always you want to polarize anyone who disagrees with you. There's a bunch of data on this particular subject but instead of adding something to the conversation you feel the need to throw a tantrum like a six year old.
Grow the fuck up

 

We've never really crossed borders. I've never really argued against FH since the time I've been here.

I still find the whole concept laughable, people really can't take this crap seriously.

You might as well just convince the community that as a WW, obesity and poor health is favored over being thin and in great shape. Nobody else is going to agree with you, nor MF.

 

^Europe/elsewhere still have ugly people though and the video is about both and I would argue that 'fat' is just another form of 'ugly' anyway(not trying to be fatist, but ugly is about being imperfect/outside what humans in general find unattractive and horrible as it is, things like having acne/being overweight fall under uglyness).

I think it was mostly me saying that and it's charisma specifically, rather than charm(not really relevant on this thread, but an important disctinction, someone who is charismatic will be charming, but someone who is charming, may not always be charismatic). [/pedantic]

In all honesty, what she said may ring true from what you've seen/experienced, but it doesn't from what I've seen/experienced, in my experience, women simply do not value looks as highly as men do.

I don't necessarily agree with what she said before it, but from around 9m30s onwards, I think she was talking a load of bull.

Possibly because I'm from a different country(England), but my experiences in the US didn't lead me to believe things are any different there. The indisputable facts may be that black men date a lot of other races and they'll often punch below their weight when dating outside their races(in other people's opinion), but this doesn't have to mean they have lower standards than other men. The choices of women have to be taken into account too, I see a lot of white women with preferences outside their race, but I haven't seen this in women of other races. Does this mean that white women and black men have lower standards? In my opinion, no. All it shows is that white women and black men date a wider range of races than everyone else.

We're kind of a 'perfect' group here being(in theory, trolls don't count), solely made up of white women and black men, giving us the opportunity to address this from the point of view of the exact people she's talking about! I'd really like to see everyone's point of view on it for themselves. Not 'my friend Bob dates fat/ugly white girls, so it's totally true!' but would you yourself date a woman you found less attractive just because she was white, etc? Why/why not?

From my personal viewpoint; I'm more attracted to people of other races than to people of my own race because I like the look of darker skin. When you first meet/see someone of the gender you're attracted to, you know if you're attracted to them, often based on 'types'. If you like blondes and your friend dyes her hair blonde, you're probably going to find her more attractive, right? If I meet a guy and he's of another race, he's already a step up my mental rankings than the exact same guy would if he was white(pure physical attraction here) because in addition to anything I find attractive about him, I think his skin colour is pretty. I don't date people from other races because I think they'll be more attracted to me or that I'm 'out of their league' or whatever, it's more the opposite. It's not about dating someone less attractive because they're not white, it's that I find find them more attractive than I would if they were white. I hadn't given it much thought before now, but if I had, I'd assume it worked the same for the men I've been dating too...Gdmnt, they better not have been thinking 'oh she's ugly, but it's ok because she's white!' >:[ brb, making accusatory phonecalls...

In short; 'Ugly' is a subjective term, just because I think your girlfriend is ugly or can't see past her weight, it doesn't mean you feel the same way and have low standards for yourself.

Actually, the only thing that pissed me off about the video was the assertion that white women/women are all gold-diggers. I frankly don't give a shit what my man earns as long as he has a desire to work/earn something(I'm not going to work every day so you can be lazy, but if you want to put in your 40 hours at McDs, it's cool, just bring me some home )and you get no points for a Ferrari in this game. If a woman is with a man for his money then you can discount every single other factor(race, fatness, etc), regardless! She's not with him because she's attracted to him anyway. Bringing gold-diggers into the debate makes it invalid, imho, and makes me biased against her other viewpoints.

Interesting link, btw, thanks for sharing!

((apologies for length of post, I know how to start giving my opinion, just struggle when it comes to stop >.> ))

++A fuckton of people posted while I was taking a million years typing this, so if I'm repeating anything, I'm sorry. Going to backread now.

Edit: This is the post I was responding to in the top line:

it was the last one before mine when I started typing q.q

 

lippy has plenty to say on this subject but one thing i have learned is that nothing is a discussion with you...you will just end up calling me an old hag with a sandy pussy and then tell me to go fuck myself...so why on earth would i want to engage in any type of discussion with your dumb ass:roll:

 

I would advise that you read carefully as well. I never disagree with your statements about the historical thoughts on the matter. For the second time, I disagreed with your assessment of what's going on today. If you read my post you will see that's the case. I absolutely don't agree that this historical perspective affects us today, for the reasons I already mentioned in my last post.

 

Ok here's my problem with your post.

1. Overweight today is miles apart from overweight of yesterday. I was watching teen wolf the other night and the kid who was considered really fat back then is average today. Some 5'9 220lbs guy is considered normal by today's standards. How messed up is that.

2. I always imagined the man's wealth was more of an attractive feature then a woman's supposed wealth because it came from her father and usually got passed on to a son. So even if a woman was chunky that had more to do with wealth the man she was marrying could provide so I don't see why men would want a chunky woman based on your logic.

 

Ok victim I pick on you. It has nothing to do with you throwing out thinly veiled insults first. Lol

 

:smt037+:smt037+:smt037+:smt037+:smt037 = :smt042

We can't take this thread seriously, it's Andre's world, not the real world.

 

now you are telling me who lippy can and can't agree with:smt090that doesn't work for me...next

 

I am just gonna reiterate word for word what this blk guy with a white GF told one of my teacher in his office “doc, I know what you thinking, hmm… she might be short, she might be fat, she might be ugly, she might be toothless, she might be a crack head but damn it SHE IS WHITE, so it is upgrade”

I laughed my ass off and thought immediately about right, bright near damn white theory.

 

The comment you made about BM was polarizing...don't put it on me you cocksucking bitch.

 

i disagree.......i don't think the issue is about just fat women,but more along the lines of unattractive women and how it pertains to racial hierarchy. while these nations might have better track records than the us when it comes to ir dating, but to me they have there own set of issues....imo, they show the living embodiment of racial hiearchy. most of the blacks in those countries are black immigrants from former european colonies built on racial hierarchy. so with an engrained mindset within both parties, it's hard to see them diverging too much from the us' padigram. to me whether it's because of their race or their legal status, they are considered at the bottom.....so i doubt beautiful ww will be running for that.

while i don't know much about australia(the aussie chicks would know know better than i), it is still a nation just recently gave aborigini full rights just recently, sio that is still is a place for concern.

 

He sure does live in a bitch-ass world.

 

i know for a fact this pisses alot of slim girls off lol, if alot of bm do its prob why people get so upset when they see a bm with a good looking ww, in alot of people its too instilled that bm only get fat ugly women, when thier out that comfort zone they go insane

 

if all of this is true, lippy sure feels sorry for all the short, fat, ugly black men with no personality...there is no hope of them getting a white women because we only go for mr. educated abs with a wad of cash in his pocket
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lol i know

 

Look at Renaissance paintings....overweight of yesterday isn't quite so far off.

And you are still arguing about current trends....completely not registering that I was talking about In the past. Go look it up. Seriously. If a woman was well fed she was not starving, and therefore able to bear children according to historic logic. And a father wouldn't marry his daughter off to a loser with no money, because marriages were financial arrangements. So, unless the guy lost every red cent, there was no way she would starve and not bear him children.

In fact, psychologists have shown that women with an hourglass figure are more fertile due to hormone levels, which also draw men. Enter the corset, which worked wonders on thick and fat women during the medieval amd renaissance periods.....corset were instant hourglass creators.

 

Interesting. But how is chemistry tricky and attraction universal, when they tend to go hand-in-hand? They synchronize with one another perfectly. If anything, they are technically "tricky" because attraction and chemistry has to go deeper beyond physical appeal.

But I do see your sentiments though. However, it's a matter of how the person works out their own preferences and create their personal restrictions.