KID ROCK versus the NAACP

I don't think Kid rock is racist but ignorant. Yeah, yeah I know who he is, I know he is got a blk child, lots of blk friends, used to try rap with his blk buddies but he still ignorant.

I agree with Flamer, yes you can be romantically involved with a blk person and still be racist, this has been proven b4. Case in point Strom Thurmond.

Also agree with xoxo- amuse is a completely wrong word to use. Racist white folks get amused by blks all the time, even going back to the 20's there were lots of racist white folks who go to harelm Jazz club to get amused by negros performance.

 

I agree

 

are people waving the rebel flag racists

are people who wave the rebel flag racists ?

should we have it on the state government buildings and other building alike if it is not racist ?

 

No we shouldn't. Just b/c some people use it in a non racist manner doesn't make it non racist.

 

Every time I hear one of these mentioning of the Confederate flag. I realize there are those who have to hang on to the vestiges of a defeated adversary.

The Confederacy was defeated, it is a footnote to history, just like Nazism. People who have to hang on to those items are living in foolhardiness.

I choose to realize that in 2011

The Stars and Stripes is the flag of this nation
We have a mixed president of black and white ancestry
Interracial relationships have continued to grow

If some individuals want to hang on to a vintage era piece of cloth, whose core beliefs were ultimately defeated then best of luck to them, because it won't change history. This nation has long since moved forward. Society is constantly changing irrespective of narrow mindedness.

 

The word has never really been redefined....so I think the analogy is a bit weak.

Again....he's probably simply ignorant and not thinking of the controversy that could be generated.

 

The NAACP are the people hanging on to the old-negative symbol of a piece of cloth.

Kid Rock is one of the people moving forward and saying "Fucking racism, this is now gonna stand for southern pride".

What exactly is the NAACP's goal? Do they want to stop the flag from moving towards a non-negative meaning? Do they want to flag to forever remain a negative sign?



Also for all you complete idots out there, Kid Rock is receiving a NAACP award.
But I suppose you still think hes' racist.....

 

reclaiming the n-word? You haven't heard that discussion? It's a different case of reclamation in this case, but is it possible to make that argument? especially if certain Black celebrities have displayed the image, in ignorance or not.

 

I notice the word ignorance is coming up in this discussion more than once. If that's the case it seems an inordinate amount of people are ignorant about this. As Flaminghetero suggests, why is the flag tolerated? Is the general ignorance a devaluing of Black suffering in general?

 

You said it was redefined, now you say it's being reclaimed? Whether they want to or not, the word has no real use to me. If this is the idea of -a ending vs. -er, the denotation is still one of a black person. Connotatively it really hasn't changed much, so I wouldn't have made that argument.

Racism, in a default, can be ignorant - I don't even think the fact that Kid Rock uses it is important much anymore - if he wanted the connotative meaning to be about rock n' roll, there's an insurmountable history lesson there.

As far as why the flag is tolerated - it would be real hard to get a number to see how many people use it. "I'm a southerner" vs. "I'm a southerner and I stand for the ideals of the confederacy (I'm a 'white nationalist')" are two different things to me; after some talks it would become apparent why the flag is tolerated/celebrated.

 

well, redefinition in the act of reclamation, reclaimed being the word that is often used. I agree, it is a specious argument, but the change of meaning with regards to the word has been a discourse scholars have tackled. Many non AA youth also use the word without recrimination

interesting.

 

Would you say he was ignorant if he stepped out with a nazi flag???

 

You won't get any arguments from me as far as the flag is concerned. They can wipe their cracks with it for all I care.

This is 2011 and if some folks want to be stuck in recalling the good ole bygone days of Dixie, with those mundane concepts such as slavery, segregation, Jim Crow Laws and lynchings then they must be under the illusion that time has stood still for them.

Like I said the flag represents a way of life that was defeated, if some folks can't come to grips with that then that is on them. When that flag flew at its zenith and importance, the Confederacy got their asses kicked as history well testifies.

I prefer instead to see all the advancements that an America steeped in racism throughout its history has made.

I can care less about the confederate flag, it can't stop society from moving forward. Just look around us already.

To me the flag is a sideshow act to reality of 2011 America.

There will always be scurrilous folks in this world, only they know what truly lurks in their hearts.

The flag however couldn't stop the march of progress in America.

 

In is a matter of appearance. I don't know if he is racist or not, but using a hate symbol is keeping me away from your ass. This woman was making conversation with me on Saturday, she took off her sweatshirt and displayed a T-shirt with that piece of shit cloth on it. Convo ended immediately

 

Of course some folks won't.

I have realized the South was a place full of bigotry so embedded in the way of life that a black person could be murdered, and a white defendant would walk into court and walk out acquitted and smiling. In Mississippi alone between 1882 when the data began to be collected and 1930, 500+ blacks were murdered by lynchings. Heaven knows how many more died before official data began to be collected.

This is what one of the scumbags that killed Emmet Till had to say, less than a year after the murder and his acquital and subsequent admission that he committed the murder with his co-defendant.

"Well, what else could we do? He was hopeless. I'm no bully; I never hurt a nigger in my life. I like niggers—in their place—I know how to work 'em. But I just decided it was time a few people got put on notice. As long as I live and can do anything about it, niggers are gonna stay in their place. Niggers ain't gonna vote where I live. If they did, they'd control the government. They ain't gonna go to school with my kids. And when a nigger gets close to mentioning sex with a white woman, he's tired o' livin'. I'm likely to kill him. Me and my folks fought for this country, and we got some rights. I stood there in that shed and listened to that nigger throw that poison at me, and I just made up my mind. 'Chicago boy,' I said, 'I'm tired of 'em sending your kind down here to stir up trouble. Goddam you, I'm going to make an example of you—just so everybody can know how me and my folks stand."
J. W. Milam, Look magazine, 1956

The irony was a grown man became enraged because a 14 year old black boy wasn't afraid of him

"In an interview with William Bradford Huie in Look magazine in 1956, Bryant and Milam stated that their intention was to beat Till and throw him off an embankment into the river to frighten him. They told Huie that while they were beating Till, however, he called them bastards, declared he was as good as they, and had in the past had sexual encounters with white women. They then put Till in the back of their truck, drove to a cotton gin to take a 70-pound (32 kg) fan—the only time they admitted to being worried, thinking that by this time in early daylight they would be spotted and accused of stealing—and drove for several miles along the river looking for a place to dispose of Till. They shot him by the river and weighted his body with the fan"

This event pondered noted novelist and Mississipian William Faulkner to ask

"If the facts as stated in the Look magazine account of the Till affair are correct, this remains: two adults, armed, in the dark, kidnap a fourteen-year-old boy and take him away to frighten him. Instead of which, the fourteen-year-old boy not only refuses to be frightened, but, unarmed, alone, in the dark, so frightens the two armed adults that they must destroy him.... What are we Mississippians afraid of?"
William Faulkner, "On Fear", 1956

All of this only half a century ago folks, less than the average lifespan today.

 

William Faulkner dropped a bomb on their sorry asses.

 

:smt023

 

Now I know you're a white boy..if you are a BM...you are an obscene charicature of one.

Let's see Kid Rock use the Nazi flag the same way....even a peice of shit like you would step away from him.

 

No enetertainer in the world is going to use that flag, they are not crazy. If they do they will be dropped b4 Charles Sheen gets a crack at spelling WINNING!

 

Absolutely did. It just demonstrated what they were afraid of a black person that stood up for themselves and didn't fall into line with the good ole boy way of life in such a place as Mississippi.

The moment that happened they felt threatened and resorted to violence and murder as all the historical documents showed.

Thankfully with the aid of brave blacks and those whites who aided in the the Civil Rights struggle better days were to come.