can you be pro-black and still date/marry a white woman?

Yes that is sooo true.. or why not move to that nice ranch in nevada, I think they have some kind of bunny breeding, and u make good money from what I have heard

 

well they are renovating my ranch up there and my manger is looking for a lead LADY of the house with green eyes, would you happen to know anyone of that description?

 

I do not know anyone who would like to work as a bunny murderer.. haha that's not nice

 

who said anything about being a bunny? they were looking for the lead lady of the house/a Goddess not in Charlie sheen manner tho, lol

 

u know what I think Ill just pass for this time.. but i might be able to put in a good word for you, fixing u up with a good job there, it might hurt a lil to start with, it might gross u out... but u know what? ull forget bout all that as soon as the pay check arrives

 

You know me so well, I am all about the check, SHOW ME THE MONEY HONEY! lol

 

yeaaah, the sad part, u gonna need to spend most of em on therapy...


still might be worth it if u get a hot shrink tho

 

yeah hot shrink cant handle me on the couch so she might end up being physical with moi, lol..... and I am sure you've heard of the saying, to not get involved with your therapist, lol

 

I was the one stating it

 

You are leaving out economics and statehood. Using the two forms of nationalism you cited, economics and statehood are most commonly linked to revolutionary politics; revolution supposedly being a means to an end (a Marxist state.) The UNIA and NOI belong in your analysis.

Revolutionary nationalism as it so existed in the 60 and 70's, surely, especially when some considered “a woman's position in the movement as prone”. The only obstacle to cultural afrocentricity is peer pressure and that becomes eased the less White your partner is.

Inherent in most Black nationalist discourse is some level of separatism. While certainly not to the level of White nationalism, the more acute a Black Nationalist is to that point, the easier it is for them to claim to be pro Black. It alleviates (at least within conversation, I doubt application) the need to deal with White people, especially as economic dependents.

 

I don't have a definition for it, but I agree that the Black nationalist who is also a separatist has the easiest argument when they claim to be pro Black. In their definition of pro-Black, they don't define Black people in relation to White Supremacy, their “positive” articulation of identity uses existing or reclaimed cultural models indigenous to Africa. The racialist rhetoric or preservation is not close to White nationalism (the new world admixture is too prevalent) but the notion is there.

Is loving Black people, helping a segment of Blacks, or aligning yourself with a multicultural politic that does so (or purports to) enough to consider one pro-black? I don't know. It depends on how you define a "pro" racialized identity. Within the purview of White supremacy, being pro Black is seen as self-loving/progressive/revolutionary, while being pro-White is seen as an articulation of supremacy/oppression. Racialized politics and identity always become hateful on some level. When it comes to avoiding conflict, the racialist (imo) usually have the better arguments (Homogeneity) against those who seek "multiculturalism".

 

Notwithstanding the fact that Wikipedia isn't a reliable or well vetted source of definitive information, and given the statements that you present, I think that it's easy to form an alternate perspective.

It's difficult for me to see how "fighting for their freedom" can viewed as anything less than pro-black. If you are engaged in a fight for freedom you have de facto promotion of the race. For the same reason, in choosing to "buy black" you are also promoting the race and culture.

You assert an opinion that the marrying outside the black race is proof of the corollary that it is not "positive, and fosters a loss of continuity of the race and culture. I suggest that is not the case. While some might argue the distinction of a black versus white culture, rather than an American culture, I will dismiss that thought for the sake of this discussion. For this to be a logical consequence is to assume that the black man who marries a white lady will somehow lose his blackness of or become a different person. Alternately, you are suggesting that the white spouse will somehow change the man. Why should there be a change in the culture in a household where all ideas and thoughts are accepted?

On the matter of children, yes, I agree that those children will be multi-racial. However, we all understand that there is no pure race within the U.S. We are aware that through slavery most black Americans have varying degrees of "white blood" and other ethnic or racial heritage. It's also not news that many white Americans have "black blood" as well as other ethnic make-up..
The relative point is that I believe that culture has not be under-minded by this factor in the past and that it will continue to be unimportant in determining culture.

I would say that socio-economics could play a more pivotal role in determining or even influencing changes in culture, white or black. I think that we also have to acknowledge that multi-racial children of black and other racial heritage will be considered black. Mulatto children are as equally predisposed to marriage a person of a non-black race as any other black children. So, again, I don't see any negative implications toward continuity of the race.

 

are you problack if you date other races

think you can be pro-black and date whoever you want. Its funny on how easy it is to be labeled by society.
Would Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. message would have been any different if Coretta Scott King was white? No. You could be pro-black, and still date a woman outside your race. All women are beautiful, and I would not miss a chance at true love, because a girl didn't have the same complexion as me.

to SHAO
it's funny that you bring up MLK but Martin Luther was clearly for equal rights of all. MLK wanted EQUALITY. Also MLK is not the standard to use. Let's use our logic instead of using examples of people who made impacts on history.

Being pro-black is being in favor of the black race. This wouldn't be true if I have a white wife. Because it implies that my preference lies other than on black.

Being pro-black It is one of those things in which you cant do half way. I like everything that is black except for the women i date whoever she is?!?!? its not a sound argument if we were to use the premise that being pro-black was being in favor on all levels. In that social/romantic aspect you are not pro-black if you date other races. If anything you are pro-choice.

we must understand that labels are use for a reason and that is to distinguish between black and white (pun intended). If you don't want to use labels then don't, but if you will use a label let us use it in its correct context

If black men want to date white women fine date them, however you must realize that you are not pro-black when it comes to your intimate relationships.

Which is fine and doesn't mean that you are any less black. It just states that you are open to alternatives.

 

are you saying its inturpretation? I agree words are an interpretation however they have to objective in some point if not then words mean nothing

 

hmmm does that mean that every black person who only speaks english is not pro black when it comes to languages?

also, does that make the woman that chose the black person pro-black when it comes to intimate relationships?

Pro-black means different things to different people. to steal the lines of the whodini

Now you can look the word up, again and again
But the dictionary doesn't know the meaning of Pro-black
And if you ask me, you know, I couldn't be much help
Because Pro-black is something you judge for yourself.

 

there is a difference between romance and politics. YOU cant not be problack in your romance life. Let us say i am pro-black within my romantic relationships... but my girl/fiancee/wife is wife :shock: does that really makes since of course not because its contradictory.

Its ok to not be pro-black within your relationship, it doesn't mean that you are any less black. It means that you prefer to date other races. I am pretty sure that black men feel that society thinks they are less black because they date white women (which is not the case). It is not logically sound to be called pro-black when your wife is white(in the aspect of your realtionships).

 

I think the two have nothing to do with each other. Now if the question was "Can you be 'sexually Afro-centric' (whatever that means, LOL) and date a white woman?" then the answer would be no. Pro-black means being in favor of equality for black people, or people of African descent, everywhere. You can be in favor of justice for black people regardless of who you sleep with, even if you are a non-black person. One is a political position, the other is sexual/personal. It only becomes tricky if you're involved in a cultural/nationalist organization, where the personal and political realms are interchangeable.

 

Why are you here???

 

I fully agree that there is a difference in politics and romance. It's not contrary, and it's precisely for that reason that you can be pro-black and pursue a relationship with a white woman, they are mutually exclusive.

You don't pose a logical argument, but choose to define pro-black by your personal definition. You reject the notion of acknowledging the historical evidence of Black men who were married to White women, and yet had tremendous impacts on promoting Black causes. Merely asserting that we shouldn't look at such evidence isn't logical as this evidence does provide insight into the issue.

Your idea of pro-black appears more closely related to segregation than advancing the causes of Black America. But, since it's not possible to like in a "black vacuum" I don't know what resort you have realistically.

 

In the words of another member regarding a similarly different perspective of someone in this community, they are suspect.