Anyone else refuse to date?

Your observations are pretty pragmatic, but misguided. But I do see why you feel that way. Again, you're basing it solely on your personal experiences, which have been relatively positive, so I can understand that. But to objectively view it from a collective scope is something else entirely.

Should Beyonce marry a white guy instead of a black person won't draw a lot of heads as long as she is still the same person and not suddenly change. Think Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony receive a lot of hate because of who J-Lo once dated? No. They're celebrities first and foremost and they have an image they know how to keep. And secondly, we're speaking squarely on everyday people like you and I. And this is where it matters here.

In many respects, you "could" draw acceptance if you also factor fetishist ideas too. This is not without the fact that we're also men with some form of dominance and say so in society.

 

Dude are you kidding? The first interracial black white couple on tv were the Willises on The Jeffersons and fyi that chick was married to white guy in real life.

No one is crying victim just calling it what it is.

 

Then somehow I bought a TV station in the last 20 min. If I'm talking about our black culture, our popular culture, if I'm talking about popular American mainstream culture. If I mention things like TV shows, adds, and movies....

...how I am basing it solely off my personal experiences? I was based out of Asian for almost a decade and married two Asian women..

...how on earth can I base what I wrote off my own personal experiences.

 

LOL...no my man, William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols took care of that long before the Jefferson's hit TV.

And while you can give one popular culture example I can give you many many more of the opposite.

 

Hmmm, I should retract and instead say..."Giving that you're a military dog who have been married to two non-white, non-black women in your life, what exactly is it that you have a hard time acknowledging regarding acceptance of cultures and what have you?"

 

This thread got real deep and is now touching on historical issues, amazing how the human mind can trail off into the wilderness through the asking of a mere question.

 

huh?

 

I just like to argue...that's my excuse. Sometimes I take an opposing view JUST BECAUSE, I loath the foul stench of faux positivity.

 

Sorry about that. Just finished two YouTube videos and was doing some editing so my mind drifted elsewhere.

Well, since you've given me this little bit of information, before I continue arguing with you, I need to know a few things:

1. Have you ever married a white woman or dated a white woman?

2. How long have you been stationed in Asia? And were you able to keep in touch with much of black-white relations in the US and around the world?

 

That was one kiss opposed to a marriage and I thought that's what we were taking about.

And if you can name more examples the argument is about who catches more flack. Dude last time I checked bw nor wm were being disowned by their families for being with each other.
Hell the miscegenation laws that followed right after the civil war and even the reason the first wave of the KKK was formed was to protect precious ww from the mindless negro. With that being the mindset of the country how can you possibly argue that bm/ww ir couples catch more flack. Like I've said before I have never heard anyone have to justify their preference for any other man unless they're black.

 

married no. Actually I've probably dated mroe white women than any other race. Ummm....well at least I know I've slept with more white women than any other race.

I was "based" out of Japan from 1991 - 2003. From there I as all over Asian, Europe and Africa Lived between, NC, DC< VA< and MD, until 90 days ago.

Black-white relations do not disappear once the uniform is worn.

My observation is not based on my own limited experience but the reality (at least in America) of this country and race in America. Again we can one and two each other to death but the fact of the matter is a white woman and a black man is far more societally acceptable than black woman and a white male.

Even in our history. Black men took on white wives...white males took on white "things" something to be had an used. The "experience" the fantasy of being with a mammy of sexing a black woman. If anything I am basing my opinion off my knowledge of history.

 

This is always going to put you and I at odds. What does it mean? Since you've never heard of (blank)...(blank) does not happen?

 

No. I disagree completely. But then again, I'm going to assume this must be based on where you live.

In the past year and a half, there have been several BW/WM couples in my area they were attacked just walking down the street. Many times, the man ended up in the ER because he was beaten so badly. In other cases, the man was followed and beaten when he was alone.

Why is this? I have no idea. But in general, WWBM relationships are fairly common in this area - that's not to say that you don't get funny looks sometimes- but for some reason, it's far more acceptable to be a WWBM couple than a BWWM couple.

Andrae, it seems that when people speak of IR relationships, they auto-focus on WWBM. I wish they'd focus on the other types of IR relationships, because it's not just US, people! Gosh! Take the spotlight off.

Furthermore, what bothers me more than anything else is that those relationships aren't even really discussed, but then we have young IR couples being harassed and attacked for no reason in this day and age.

 

Well there ya go, hence why I mentioned personal experiences. You been with a lot of white women in your life and perhaps the attitudes around you were for the most part positive. That doesn't mean the sociological attitudes somehow translates to "it's far more accepted." It'd be more accurate to imply that compared to way back when, interracial marriages among black men and white women couplings are much more accepted than a long time ago. Compared to others, however, it's less likely. Far less than white male/(insert ethnic group) pairing.

And relating to all that, do you have a strong relationship with your wife's family?

 

Seriously where the hell is Flame when you need him lol.

Fact bm are the most feared and disliked men on the planet.
Fact ww are the most coveted female on the planet.
Pairing them together creates the most contraversy. If you need proof just look around.

 

1. Well, I do live in the southern part of the United States, but I'm speaking from a general standpoint and sociological understandings in modern times. Also, it depends on where they live as well. How many times were those attacks based on them being together? I still stand on my argument.

2. Unlike other interracial relationships and ethnic relations altogether, blacks and whites have a strong history here in the United States and this element is pretty much rooted within the human psyche. We're not saying that we should exclude others because they do exist, however, the problems lie within some aspect of relatedness - our phenotypical differences which draw some form of bias or hate.

 

I honestly don't get why anyone cares especially when many times its not even people they know.

 

Woah there killer..just one thing.

At this point in time, I'm pretty sure that Middle Eastern men are the most feared and disliked men on the planet.

 

You can't call something FACT and not back it up. And personal observation is not "proof"

 

Those attacks were always based on them being together. That's why they were so jarring in this area.

I know! But from the police reports, the people who beat him were saying things to the tune of 'Stay away from our women- you're not man enough!' and things like that. It was horrifying.