Putting Faith in Its Place

Discussion in 'Religion, Spirituality and Philosophy' started by aaronkid, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. aaronkid

    aaronkid New Member

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  2. aaronkid

    aaronkid New Member

    I would like to know if anyone has any thoughts or input on the video.
     
  3. DJ_1985

    DJ_1985 New Member

    I enjoyed the video and thought it was very relevant to a conversation that I had with my mother on Saturday. She even resorted to the "You can't see the wind" argument. This video could help many religious people to conduct themselves in a way that's not offensive to non-believers. But unfortunately, most of them would never watch it, or at least I don't believe that anybody in my family would.
     
  4. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    That's pretty interesting. Thanks for posting it. I'm going to have to ponder this for awhile. But I would like to point out that the wind arguement was a bad one I prefer to use atoms and molecules as a good example for faith. Before we were aware of their existence they existed for billions of years we just needed the right instruments to bring it to our awareness. I've always thought we can't prove the existence of God.... yet.
    You guys should check out Conversations with God an Uncommon dialogue by Neale Donald Walsch. It totally changed my life, you might find it interesting.
     
  5. Morning Star

    Morning Star Well-Known Member

    This is definitely a great argument. But it is something I've proposed a while back, but thanks to this video, I can actually validate and further put believers in their place, should they try and convince me to join their beliefs.
     
  6. DJ_1985

    DJ_1985 New Member

    I agree. The arguments aren't really revolutionary ones. When people try to use the "You can't see the wind" argument, I counter with an argument similar to the one in the video. When people start to ramble on about the centric design of the cosmos I often ask them "Even if there is a higher being, how can you identify him as Allah, or Jehova, or Zeus, etc.". But the video is very useful because it's meticulously concise.
     
  7. Morning Star

    Morning Star Well-Known Member

    There's really not enough more to go by since the more rational arguments are far more plausible. The only problem is the conviction they have, which is where you simply don't use circular logic and just make them think.
     
  8. aaronkid

    aaronkid New Member

    I quickly perused the Wikipedia page about it. It seems like Neale Donald Walsch combines several different philosophies, including perhaps some which are mutually exclusive. If the summary is correct he asserts pantheism, a strong belief in a personal god, both free will and determinism, as well as another of other concepts. I can understand the dillemma of wanting to be creative while failing to read what others have written, but how very New Age.
     
  9. aaronkid

    aaronkid New Member

    You seem intelligent. These are basic ideas. However, as DJ_1985 indicated, formulation is key. The videos are elegant. Also, I like pictures :).

    Interview with Neil Donald Walsch:
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    Scene from the film adaptation of his work:
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    Especially informative:
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