Why I usually don't look at BBW

How is my reply absurd? You live in one of the fattest states in the country. Over 30% of the state is obese, which means even more are considered overweight. Women usually represent more of a percentage of overweight and obese people. Which means that 30% obesity number is probably even higher among women in your state. With all that said you still see more fit IR couples(BM/WW) than unfit ones. That just seems highly unlikely. Not impossible, just highly unlikely.

I think maybe where we are having conflict is what you define as fit or in shape. I am going by the what the doctor scale considers overweight and obese. I know that it is not the end all be all, but it is a good basis to start from. Since the majority of the women in your state is probably overweight maybe what you consider fit probably isn't fit at all.

Your state is considered a very conservative state and a republican has carried your state in every presidentail race since 1968. In the 2008 Oklahoma was the only state in the country where every county voted for John McCain. I live in one of the bluest states in the country but yet I know plenty of conservatives/republicans. Do mean to tell me that you rarely come across conservatives under the age of 70 even though in 2008 your state was the reddest state in the country? Do you think I was born yesterday. I think you and Andrae are confusing your personal circle with what is really out there.

 

I know what fit is, height and weight proportionate and all that. I also know what obese is, and the people I see are not that. I'd estimate the women I see most often with BM to be no more than a size 9... that's not obese by anyone's definition. :roll: Granted you can be thin and not healthy/fit, however they sure aren't obese, and that was the point of this discussion.

I'm also not talking about just my circle, as I'm sure Andrae isn't either... we both likely deal with people outside our circle on a regular basis, at least I know I do. I am very liberal minded, and I'm equally outspoken and have no problem making my views known. I can only count a couple of occasions where I've run into people who I'd term narrow minded in the 12 years I've lived here. By contrast, I ran into that on nearly a daily basis when I lived in Kansas. I don't care what the statistics say, or what the political history is of the state as a whole, I'm telling you that Tulsa is one of the most liberal place I've lived. I have yet to witness anyone giving a shit about IR, gays, goths, liberals, or anything else outside the conservative realm. So if you don't believe me I suggest you book a flight and come see for yourself, otherwise you can shut up about it, cause you sure don't have an adequate basis to know what you're talking about. I would never attempt to challenge someone on what they observe if I've never been there and don't have a damn clue what the people are like, that's just the height of stupidity IMO.

Essentially you have a very narrow-minded outlook, as evidenced by you trying to refute anything anyone says that happens to challenge your personal POV. That's not my problem, it's not my place to prove anything to you, I told you what I see on a regular basis, sorry if it challenges your negative views and you prefer to wallow in self-imposed ignorance. Again that's not my problem.

 

I have a problem with BM dating fat BW what is up with that ? How about Uglly BM with hot BW ...I mean come on. How about hot BW with Blcak thugs . Ghee whish.

I mean come on. what about those goofy looking white guys with hot white women ? or what about ugly white men with fat black chicks ?

The maddnes must stop. we have to pair these people to our pleasing. Dont yall think ?

 

I wish this thread would die a quick and painful death.

 

I'm right there with you Tony... you get the gasoline, I'll get the match.

 

Yes.
Go all Kevorkian on this joint.

 

can i please jaisee you, espy & wifey on this please...!!!! enough already...!!! (speaking souly from a bbw's standpoint who's tired of making excuses why)

 

If you don't like the thread why participate people?
I don't get why people who don't like certain threads comment on it.

 

ESPY you are right I have never been to Oklahoma and I don't have first hand experience to back up the facts, statistics, and logic that I have brought to the table. I do apolgize. I have lived in Baltimore, Philly, Boston, and NYC briefly and I still came across people that were conservative, not fond of IR dating, and anti-gay. If you look up a list of the most liberal cities in the country I guarantee that all four of those cities would be on that list. I guarantee that Tulsa, OK would not. Again in 2008 every county in your state voted for McCain including the county in which Tulsa belongs to. That would NEVER happen in Baltimore, Philly, Boston, or NYC. So the places I have lived are far more liberal than any place that you have ever lived. So if I have come into contact with many conservatives in these liberal northern cities, then I'm almost positive that you have had to come in contact with even more in the conservative cities that you have lived. But again I debate with stats and logic while you debate with personal observation.

How tall are these women that are a size 9? If they are of average height then they would most likely be overweight according to the doctor's scale. Maybe not according to the ESPY scale but usually doctors don't go by the ESPY scale of determining who is normal, overweight, or obese. Americans have become so accustomed to seeing large people that the perspective of what is normal has moved to further to the overweight side. So your perspective maybe off.

 

I agree with him. Theres a bit of a "three wise monkeys" mentality when it comes to controversial topics. IMO part of this boards existence is to discuss those matters.

 

Agree with that 100%. Unfortunately society collectively chooses to NOT take that into consideration. This goes across racial lines. Its unfortunately assumed one cannot pull a thin woman if they're attracted to larger ones. Some times they're right...but sometimes they are dead wrong.

 

My point is Andrae was speaking in absolutes about the women he's spoken to about that particular topic, and being one of those women I happen to know that his assertion was false. I have no problem with controversial topics, I enjoy debate and discussion, what I object to is people who simply throw things out there for no reason other than to start fights, or people who wallow in their own ignorance.

 

This statement right here is all that matters. It invalidates your 'opinion' on what I have personally observed. I've decided that my 'opinion' of you is that you just like to argue with people, regardless of whether your position has any actual merit, or that you prefer to cling to the negative stereotypes that you put forth, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, or lack of evidence to back those up. I have no interest in discussing anything with anyone who can't be logical, or who chooses to remain ignorant. I'll just put you on ignore and happily do precisely that.

 

understood :smt004

 

Because there are some people with whom you can actually have a productive conversation Andrae, such as yourself, but unfortunately there are some with whom that's not possible, such as Iggy and Reggie.

My question is, if you feel the need to cling so tightly to the negative aspects of IR, why do you date IR in the first place? Also if all you have to say about WW are negative things, why come here. What could people like that possibly hope to gain from WWBM... wait I think I know this one... they're here to annoy everyone else. They enjoy creating an atmosphere of discord, then sitting back and watching while the members go at it. All I can say is they must have some really sad, unfulfilled lives if this is what passes as entertainment for them.

 

:smt023 Cool, there are some days I think I must be speaking Klingon or something.

 

I personally never judged anyone. For me its pure observational analysis about coupling. I just see a very large number of overweight ww with bm and rarely see it the other way. What I find very interesting is many fat chicks won't even give a fat dude a chance. Its interesting to see how some are unattracted to an attribute they themselves posses.

 

I understand how you feel because there is a whole lot of BS and ugliness in this thread. But there are also some interesting points and angles. As hard as it's been to read sometimes, I appreciate some of the different perspectives that people have contributed.

 

I personally find that inappropriate, to hold others to a standard you yourself will not meet. IMO you should never expect or demand better from others than you expect of yourself, that's hypocritical. I understand that people are attracted to who they are attracted to, and by all means pursue that if you like and if you have success then I'm happy for you, but I still see it as hypocritical to seek in someone else what you yourself have no desire to achieve and then to be unhappy or angry when they want the same and you don't fit the bill.