my dream woman

wow...

 

Now I understand why you call yourself Blacktiger.It's so correct and strong to fight for that, what you believe and want. I wish you many more happy years together

Hey Espy- thanks for your explanation. Communication is the key, you are right. But sometimes I really wonder.. I read ingenieurs, lawyers...it seems to me that we are a group of well educated people. And then I read- "I am just honest and open-minded", what seems to be the explanation for, how I call it "gutter-language". We all made bad experiences, disappointments with our ex-partners and experiences with sexism and racism. But that is all no reason for rude talking.

I feel like a woman and want to be treated with respect. It is a sign of self-respect, too and nobody will ever hear me that I reduce men to their genitales. It wouldn't be a big disgrave for them,more one for myself.

And sometimes you simply know that the ways of life and characters are so different that it is better to clean the kitchen or to go for dinner than to lead this discussion

 

I would never respect a person just because they're a woman. They need to earn it.

 

here we go with this shit, right. women are to get NO treatment that would be deemed 'unequal' to a man, up to and including chivalry.

 

I don't know, I find this is the mentality that brings men to stop surprising their women after a bit and let the routine go wild. Not really "fighting", but some "changing and action" should be interesting in my opinion. If those who were "theirs" at the beginning kept being "theirs" forever, we wouldn't have as many separated and divorced couples.

Not sure my english was ok about all this, but hope u got what u mean.

 

The only way to get respect is to give it IMO. There is nothing else that entitles someone to your respect, not their gender, income, status, or age.

"Chivalry is dead... and women killed it." - Sinbad

:smt023 I got your meaning ThickShawty, and I understand what you're saying, sometimes people have to change it up to keep a relationship alive. That's not fighting to me though, that's just not becoming complacent. To me making sure the people you love know that they are important to you isn't a fight, that's just common sense and something that shouldn't really require thought if you love them. I'm a very instinctual person, so it's not an effort for me to show love and affection to someone if that's what I feel. I think we're just back to individuality in how we each define things, I think we all agree on a lot of what's been said, we just aren't stating it in the same terms.

 

I agree with you completely. I don't see love as work. It just is and if you have to work at it maybe its not right. Every relationship goes stale from time to time but its normal. If you want constant excitment I'm sure there's a rollercoaster some where for you.

 

Coulda swore that was Chappelle.

 

Constant excitement is overrated, as are roller coasters.

 

Don't know about that, maybe Chappelle said something similar, but I watched Sinbad last week and I know he said it.

 

Fam at this point when I hear dumb shit like I ignore the buzzing and laugh to myself. I don't know if a lot of women mistake respect with being polite but this idea I should your existence just because of have a vagina will never fly and the men who normally get on board with this way of thinking are usually pacifying women like children.

 

Thank you for clarification. That was exactly the consense of your post, how I understood it.

And there is the absolutly difference between you and me. I respect every human being, even animals, nature and opinions. I don't think that I have the right to judge, who is valuable enough to be respected. I try to be neutral and to give everybody a chance.

I am only curious.. what makes you so special that you think you can make the choose, who is respectable and who not? What did you make in your life that lifts you up from all of us so enormously that others have to convince you?

Me. I don't see any reason, you come to me very negative and it's just not interesting to convince you in anything..

 

Alright, I'll start opening doors for you and laying my coat over a puddle so you can skip across and not damage your shoes

Seriously though, how cynical is this thread? Jeez, how little would you have to think of yourself to be with someone who views you as a 'walking vagina.'
And surely we should have a certain amount of respect for other people without them having to earn it, regardless of gender?

 

oh here comes jolly old English with her .02



respect has to be earned, shorty

 

I'm talking about basic respect for other people, are we really so cynical now that we lack that? Does EVERYONE have to prove themselves in some sort of way before we look at them as something other than a walking vagina?
I hope I don't become so cynical in a few years time, damn.

 

a walking vagina is better than a dead one

right?


:smt109

 

The term is "talking vagina" meaning to me until I get to know you better that's what you are to me. No man looks at a woman and thinks wow she looks like she has a great personality and I would love to get to know her. When we meet women its usually more like wow she's good looking I would love to tap that. The conversation stuff / getting to know you is what we suffer through a lot so that we achieve our primary goal. I think Espy stated best when she said "men can't really determine how we feel about a woman until we have sex with them" at least in most cases. And there's nothing cynical about this thread at least not from my end. I'm just being honest about male and female interaction.

As far as respect is concerned I think we probably have different ideas of what respect is. Respect is a certain level of admiration that one has for another based on something they did. Like I respect my friends who went to Iraq with the belief they were going to help free people from tyranny and as a result I treat them a little differently. I think you probably meant basic manners, treating a person nicely which I think most of us do. I think most people are polite but respecting someone you don't know seems very empty and fake. It comes with an assumed perception of how you are without getting to know you.

 

I agree with you FRWL. I wanted to post earlier, but figured it a lost cause, that we'd be so much better off if we all first respected each other off principle until proven that the respect is ill-warranted.

Yes, we have become so bitter and cynical.

 

Speak for yourself fam

 

Don't worry, Russia. Not everyone becomes this cynical with age. I also agree that there should be a basic respect given to people until they prove that they are not worthy of it. I'm not going to spend my life making everyone prove themselves to me before I give them the basic respect they deserve as another human being. When/If they do something that shows me that they are not worthy of my respect, then I'll cross them off my list.

Agree 100%.