Switch The Movie and The BAD IDEA

While I won't jump all over Jennifer Aniston's comments about the choice of single parenting, I have been ringing the alarm bell over this for at least a year and now Hollywood is going throw its weight at the subject. If you really don't think TV or the Movies do not have influential on popular culture in America, then you're smoking some good shit, can I have some?

I have said repeatedly in social forums that this set a precedent. This technology is only available to well-healed women presently but like cosmetic surgery is now pervasive and advertised on urban radio in such a manner like selling cars or something, you so called Millienals will be dealing the Post-Modern aftermath.

This has nothing to do with population issues, only White People Liberals bring up that shit. We have let too many people IN (especially from Mexico and Central America) and not the case of Americans having too many babies.

Don't say I didn't warn you, Murphy Brown was the first salvo in the Anti-Man witch-hunt.

 

I've said it once and I'll continue saying it because I believe it:

There are some things that scientists shouldn't mess with. Fertility is one of them. I'm not a big believer in religion, but I am a believer in God, and I am a believer in the whole concept of: things happen for a reason.

It's terrible when someone who really wants a baby can't have one naturally, whilst they're forced to see and read stories about people who have babies and don't want them and neglect them, abuse them, etc. Life isn't fair. I know that all too well.

But maybe instead of going through fertility treatments, maybe they are meant for something bigger, maybe they are meant to adopt a baby or an orphan and bring that child a love they never knew before?

I just think the whole turkey baster thing is something we shouldn't mess with. We're messing with nature and we're messing with the natural way of things.

As an aside, I kind of have to agree with Bill O'Reilly: men are getting left in the dust when it comes to raising children and getting custody, etc. Children should have 2 parents in their lives to balance them out.

My two cents.

 

It's not necessarily 'anti-man', unlike men, women have a limit on how long they are able to have children. If the time starts to run short and they aren't in a relationship, I can understand why they begin to consider other options. However you make it sound as if it's only wealthy women who have the option of becoming single parents, which is not the case. Pretty much all women have that option, even if they can't afford IVF, they can just go for direct insemination whether with a willing man or an unknowing man. I've known a couple women who opted for a one-night stand for the purpose of getting pregnant. The men never knew. That's not something I could personally do, as I consider that deceptive, but it happens. I think IVF is certainly preferable to that approach.

 

AMEN!

 

I Think O'Rilley is agreeing w DJ4M.


I dont think this is any threat to men or anything else. After all, the vast majority of women dont go down this path.

So, DJ a Q for you - what do you think of single women who adopt for the same reason? You could blame them of the same then.

 

It is cheaper to do it the other way. That is good a point to DJ4monie. Women have had the chance to do this since humanity has begun. During this time we have formed the thought of marriage despite the ability of women to just have sex and never tell the father.

 

I hate agree with Billo, but as they say a clock is right twice a day. Its not like Conservatives have it wrong all the time, look at Ron Paul's Audit The Fed idea, not hair brain considering what Wall St. has done with the money they have been shoveled.

I am concerned and upset. I have to deal with foolish economical standards set by, I don't know Redbook??. If its okay to be unemployed, laid-off especially in a country with 17% real unemployment, then how come I turn 40 yesterday and my prospects for having a wife and children seem to get smaller and smaller as the days wear on.

I wanted to start with a clean slate, I still can but this is the wrong time on earth to be considering the economics.

Women can have children alone and I wish we could set this adoption stuff to one side. I mean if you wanna talk about that, why not talk about foster children? Orphans from different countries.

You could say there too many children and not enough loving families to take them in. Now having said that, I would consider adoption but ONLY after I have my own flesh and blood.

If I was some sort of ugly man I would be really concerned, but considering all the narcissism out there and age limitations of Western Culture, I have to go the radical route when I really shouldn't have too.

Ultimately my problem with artificial insemination is women think men are the faulty part of a relationship, not themselves. More men have been laid-off/fired, unemployed than women and all analyst say lack of any direct hiring program which I believe the Government is going to be forced into doing things won't be normal until 2015 at the earliest.

As Ice Cube says - "What Can I Do?"

 

I never brought up adoption, how come some women always bring up adoption? I personally think that's a dodge for women unsure they want to have children naturally.

Do you really think adoption and child birth are one in the same???

I'm naturally selfish, I want my own children, not somebody else's children at all period. Single Mothers are very far down the list because when they get to be my age of woman interested in me (late 30's in America) they don't wanna have any more kids.

I've said it and said it and say again. This is a problem and another signalling to woman that - "Ladies you don't need a man to have children, science provides the solution." Saying MEN are the problem. From complaints of all the good men are "Gay", Married or on the "Down Low". If that's not the case, they are "Players", abusive, combative, "Dogs", Metrosexual, immature, afraid of commitment, child support dodgers, etc, etc, etc, etc.

 

I think you're reading more into this than what's there. I don't think women who opt for IVF necessarily consider men in the equation at all. It's not like they're thinking stuff like 'there are no good men left', or 'I don't want to get married', etc. For some it's as simple as 'I'm single right now, my biological clock is ticking, I can afford to support a child on my income alone, why not go for IVF while my eggs are still viable.' Men don't factor in there at all, which I know is part of your complaint, but what I'm saying is it's not a conscious 'I don't need a man to have a child' mentality, it's more a 'here are my options and a man isn't among them right now, so I'm going with Plan B' type of thing.

One thing you seem to keep focusing on, unless I misunderstood in which case I'm sure you'll correct me, is that women no longer need a man in their life to have a baby... however, women never needed a man in their life to have a baby. Pretty much any woman looking for sex is going to have no trouble finding a man who is willing, she may have to adjust her expectations depending upon her time frame, but she can find someone. As I said, IVF isn't the only way to become a single mother. Historically women followed the more traditional pattern of marriage first, then children, but that's no longer the case as single mothers are not frowned upon now as they once were, and women make more money than they did previously. Essentially if a woman can afford to support a child on her own, that's often the primary determining factor for her. It's not hatred of men, or marriage, it's just working within the constraints that life and time place upon her.

 

I don't know what kind of media you read or watch, but its obvious you miss all the narcissism out there. Most women don't want to fuck ugly-ass men, FACT. They also don't want to feel "cheap" by freely fucking anybody, FACT.

What excuse does an attractive, educated woman have to get IVF? I posted a video of such a woman that had MS. Now it's her job to inform male suitors that MS comes with complications and nobody knows when or how she'll be effected. She did not get IVF, yet but she had frozen her eggs in preparation of not meeting Mr. Right, so just who is Mr. Right?

I posted another video of a German woman who wanted to have children, married some dude who wasn't sure at first and then finally said he didn't have to have children. The entire marriage fell apart, they divorced, she had IVF and now has a son.

Women have always needed men to have children until recently and stop with that false narrative that a woman could have sex anywhere, with anybody, Riiiight. How many women are down for that? Almost NONE. Only well-healed women are willing to pitch men to the side (too much trouble) and have IVF and don't say its not happening, where do you think all these clinics came from?

It is a conscious decision that's not explored more often because most women are afraid of reaction from family and friends. I'm not quite sure what planet you live on because I doubt women that get IVF are actually saying that's what they did to have a child, they make up some LIE about some random guy them met.

You go and get a flip cam and put an ad in the paper or online and see how many answers you get and then see how many you're able to get on camera.

I'm not talking about Po-Dunk Oklahoma, after all Geezus comes first in those areas, this is reality in upscale urban areas, not in Fly Over Land, but on both coast.

 

Hahahahahaha! You are most amusing! I always get the impression you and I are trying to communicate in two different languages. So to keep it short and to the point:

1. I don't depend upon the media to give me any impression about anything. That's what my objective brain is for.

2. A woman doesn't need an excuse to get IVF, that's her choice, and ultimately no one else's business.

3. As for the examples you stated, I have no interest in what other people choose to do, again that's their business.

4. Women only need a man to provide sperm, sorry to state it bluntly but that's just the truth, our bodies are designed to handle everything else beyond the point of conception. How many women are willing to opt for a one-night stand for that purpose? I have no idea, I know it happens, but again it's not my business. What a woman chooses to do with and to her own body is her choice.

5. I never said I didn't believe IVF occurred, I merely pointed out an alternative method for insemination to illustrate that it's not merely women who can afford IVF that have the option of being a single parent. All women have that option.

6. Every woman I know who has had IVF has been upfront about that. On what planet do you think a woman lying and claiming to have gotten pregnant by a random guy would be viewed as preferable to admitting that she had IVF, which is an accepted medical procedure? You seem to think women are ashamed of having IVF, they aren't, or at least no one I know has been.

7. Women all over the US get IVF, and religion had no bearing upon that decision for women I know. They wanted a baby, they couldn't have one the traditional way for whatever reason, so they went that route. Nothing wrong with that IMO, and I'm what most people would consider religious. The ability to embrace religion, science, and an open mind are possible for a lot of us Jesus worshiping back woods nut jobs.

 

So are you assuming the media lies, I don't get my information from traditional sources in America they are Corporate Controlled. Its appeared in newspapers, magazines, the internet and news magazines both in the US, Canada, UK, Germany and Russia.

I don't ultimately care what or why people do what they do. I just state correctly its a problem and you think its okay to have such a choice.

As usual its women having it both ways with no checks and balances.

And about #7, you could have fooled me -

 

Just because I live in Oklahoma doesn't mean I agree with that decision. You cannot judge the entire state population by one piece of legislation.

I don't see it as a problem, and yes I do think women should have the right to choose IVF if they want it, why shouldn't they? Who are you to tell them they can't? In this particular instance I see no reason why a woman shouldn't have it both ways if it suits her? She's not hurting you or anyone else, and you assuming that means less women available to you personally who are open to marriage and children is a bit of a stretch.

 

I know you never brought up adoption - I did.

I didnt say giving birth and adopting is the same.

If a single woman, get a pre-baby (sperm) or adopt as a single mother, the end result is the same as far as your argument goes.
I dont know why you argue about that.
Either way, then man, in terms of that single mother is bypassed.

As far as your last paragraph. Fact is that 1/5 of women give birth for the first time after the age of 35. I posted the reference in another thread.
You have a right to wanna have your own babies - with the stats I provided, your chances are pretty darn good, they dont even include women who had babies, got divorced and want moew babies with their new hubby - that is very common - happens all the time. Cheer up. You will make it happen just drop the bitterness. and I dont say that to be mean, honestly.

 

I don't care so much if they do it, like most things in life there's no free lunch and there's a social penalty to be paid. I am just in agreement that its generally a bad idea, the poor excuse of not being able to find a suitable man is hogwash.

As for making judgments about policy in a State that's known to be held captive by conservatives, that's easy to do. You may not personally agree with laws like this but you continue to lay your head down in a place with laws or regulations you don't agree with. This isn't a recent phenomena either, the Religious Right captured the Bible Belt back in the late 1970's this is where the Neo-Conservatives get their Shock Troopers.

I get indited for living in the land of "fruits and nuts" and I'm sure the overturn of Prop 8 brings great concern to the likes of Tony Perkins. But in about a year, I'll be living in a State with Single Payer Health Care, Legalized Pot, Same Sex Marriage and Massive Alternative Energy Policy.

Plus I got this -



This -



And This -



Then I scream -



Instead of haivng phony arguments about sexual orientation and weather abortion should be legal when it already is and won't ever change, 3rd rail politics.

But why are men being bypassed??????? Nobody can give a definitive answer without men like me going "Ah Ha!" Women getting caught in their materialistic hypocrisy. As I said men having to meet some crazy shopping list of desires that have no basis in reality.

So your saying being 40 is some sort of advantage? All the women clinging on to the hope of having children over 30 is some how my salvation? As I said, I think you discount the narcissism out there. Being a woman you don't see this and you also don't see the clear double standards I have experienced more than once.

No the problem is between what I want, and what wants me, there's a HUGE gap. So either I'm not as good looking as I thought or something else is wrong and you wanna say things like stop being bitter. That's assuming it comes out in every conversation I have, when it doesn't. Stay away from social issues and I never say anything about it. Bring up our deeply flawed social-economic system and all hell breaks loose.

That is the only reasons I bring these topics up, we have a deteriorating society and nobody seem to see it but me. The rest aren't planning for the worst of it either.

 

I'm not moving just because I don't agree with some of the states politics. I was raised in Kansas and they are far, far more conservative than Oklahoma. That certainly doesn't mean I have to be conservative, or that it's going to rub off on me while I sleep. Seriously I doubt I could find a state where I did agree with everything, that place doesn't exist. I don't intend to live here the rest of my life, probably a max of 5 years more, but Tulsa's actually a great place to live and raise kids. Maybe if I regularly encountered opposition or had issues with people I'd rethink that, but that's never happened. In fact Tulsa ties Austin as the most laid back, open-minded place I've lived.

 

I think in general, we - as human beings become more and more isolated and have a harder time to relate the more "hooked up" we are. Not only that, but we - both men and women get our heads filled with lofty ideas that really never have a chance. We have become materialistic and egoistic in general. So it gets harder to finds that someone, AND, it gets harder as we grow older.
I think most of us looks for love in the completely wrong places, really. I think we must look into ourselves to find the answer and start looking for other people than we ususally do. But that is hard, we are wired.

I dont think the rate single women get babies on their own is really an issue - will it become an issue?
I personally dont think so - women, in general crave other things - that only a man can provide - I dont think that will drastically change any time soon.

When I mention your bitterness, I wasnt refering to your live convos - here, its penetrating much of what you write so I am sort of jumping into the conclusion that in penetrates much of your live convos.

We ALL, have been hurt and used and treated badly - I dont think anyone on here have escaped that. I think the trick is to love with no abandon and not let your heart become guarded and its HARD!
Very hard, probably one of the hardest things to do. Your young, I have no doubt it will happen for you, no doubt.
Hey, look at me, Im "still" single - i.e., you could do worse

 

dj4monie,
No offense, but your whole outlook is AFU. Who are you supposed to be? Some kind of right wing paramilitary?

 

Did you really say Right Wing?

Hardly, the only thing Conservative about me is the so-called Family Construct.

I get married before I have children, not the other way around, that includes using all available tools at my disposal.

My outlook is maybe AFU because the entire country is FUBAR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4T4kJ2KNzk

 

You don't want me...

Or maybe you do and don't know it yet? I always thought you were very attractive, your local, you were not born here, your blonde, etc, etc, etc.

As this seemingly is not a "hook up" site (at least not this part of it) and don't activity pursue women here, seems pointless.

I really want nothing more than to come home to a beautiful wife and great children.

It shouldn't be that hard and I am not that picky. I wish the laundry list would stop. I don't have one, never did, I have very basic requirements.

I keeps it real, that's all I can say.