Black parents..white baby.

I can tell. If the person's skin color is not black then chances are they are mixed. It is just the ones with black skin color that make it hard to tell.

 

Sure, but they have been there longer than whatever Whites Britty might be speaking of.

It's somewhere between 2/3 - 3/4, you can't tell in many respects because it can only be a few percentages. A Cursory search returns around 3/4th here and here, both wikis, but the first one is sourced.

 

Thats crazy. Well congrats to them though. Seems like a healthy baby.

 

Hi guys

I have been a regular visitor to this forum for a while now but had never taken the time to register.

I wanted to quickly correct the statement above

Berbers ARE INDIGENOUS Africans They are just as indigenous as the rest of Africans are. Africa is the worlds most diverse continent by a mile including the so-called "Sub-Saharan" Africa. The idea of a similar "black Africa" is mis-information of the highest order. The continents indigenous people all have varied looks and cannot be classified as one "race"

People make that mistake all the time and seem to equate Africa="Black".

This is a very very wrong and false assumption.


I also wanted to add that the concept of "black/blackness" that most westerners have does not exist on most of the African continent. A lot of times a lot of black-Americans mistake this to signify that Africans look down on them but that is not the case at all.

 

True, nor in some other parts of the diaspora.

It's more than that, many Africans that come to the US in particular have voiced their dislike of African American behavior, culture and community. It's a complex situation, but I think this schism is overstated and the people who are voicing their dislike on both sides are just plain ignorant.

 

They aren't alone. Some people in the Caribbean think the same thing about the african americans. The B.E.T. culture(african american vernacular, pants sagging, crime) is what is seen mostly. That's why you see dislike from a lot of black people towards african american population. The african americans need to shut that culture down and put in the good parts of their culture in the media.

 

@Xoxo

I understand what you mean. I just think that the whole African vs African American thing is totally overstated

Firstly because Africa is simply the name of a continental landmass made up of 54 countries and not a people, culture or "race". Africans are very different people with thousands and thousands of years of de-similar history. Somebody from Mauritania is very very different from a South African and so is a Djiboutian from a Senegalese.

You dont see Nigerians and Somalis for example holding similar social circles even in the west. Many African societies also have dislike for other African societies.


The problem comes from the fact that people expect Africans to be similar to each other and to black Americans which is not the case at all. And when these expectations come face to face with reality, the myth of an imaginary black brotherhood gets shattered.



Also some African immigrants rightly or wrongly perceive some black Americans as complaining too much and not appreciating the opportunities that they have.

What most people have to understand is that a "Black" as a sense of identity means next to nothing in many parts of the African continent.

 

about the Berber issue I wanted to quickly add that Berbers are actually the quintessential Africans. The word comes from their language and they are actually the original "Africans". They were the people who had been refred to as Africans for centuries before that word was used to refer to the rest of the continent.

They are continental indigenes of the African continent.

 

yup, this is very true. Some just don't want to see it that way. I always like to point out that an african american in the northeast grows up differently than one in the south or west of the usa. That's the big problem. Only people in their section of the country or world can fix their problems. No one else.

 

Black Africans are indigenous to North Africa...............not Berbers and Arabs......................

To say the Berbers are Indigenous Africans is like saying Jews are Indigenous to Manhatton.

It's stupid.

 

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"The Berbers are quintessential Africans"-----Get the fuck outta' here with that shit.

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Ive gotten in trouble in the USA for raising the issue above because some people dont want to hear the truth and prefer to live in an imaginary world.

On the African continent things like Ethnicity, Language, Culture, Traditions, Hertiage, Religion, Clan, Family, Region etc shape your sense of identity far far more than race and race plays very little to no part in it in many countries.


I understand that for a Westerner, the idea of race not playing any part in your sense of identity is hard to grasp but thats just how it is.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? I dont think you know much about the African continent nor the word Africa in the first place.

Its one thing to be ignorant but its is even more woeful to be ignorant and curse at people who are trying to correct a very wrong viewpoint that you have

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people

"Berbers are the indigenous peoples of North Africa west of the Nile Valley. They are discontinuously distributed from the Atlantic to the Siwa oasis, in Egypt, and from the Mediterranean to the Niger River. Historically they spoke various Berber languages, which together form a branch of the Afro-Asiatic language family. Today many of them speak Darija and also French in the Maghreb, due to the French colonization of the Maghreb, and especially Spanish in Morocco. Today most Berber-speaking people live in Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia.[1][2]

Many Berbers call themselves some variant of the word Imazighen (singular: Amazigh), possibly meaning "free people" or "free and noble men"[1](the word has probably an ancient parallel in the Roman name for some of the Berbers, "Mazices")."

 

Berbers ARE quintessential Africans. If you didnt know that already you need to a lot of catching up to do with regards to the African continent. They are Indigenous Africans just like other inhabitants of the continent. Their haplogroup is also indigenous to he African continent.


Africa DOES NOT equal black!

 

U absolutely have no freaking idea what you are talking about dude. Stop spreading malicious LIES

When you have no idea of what you are talking about, it is best to keep quiet and learn dude and not parrot lies all over the place.

What you wrote above is mis-information of the highest order

 

I don't think you know us westerners too well. We are able to grasp it. The media and a few others are leading you to believe this.

 

Just because the Berbers have been there for a long time doesn't mean they are INDIGENOUS.

You might as well say the Vikings are indigenous to North America.....but you'd never do that to the Native American:smt039...

Only in Africa are the indigenous people so DISRESPECTED.

The Berber's origins are EUROPEAN....not African..JUST LOOK AT THEM...

Again

BLACK AFRICANS are indigenous to North Africa....NOT A-rabs and Berbers.

 

The Berbers as indigenous Africans is the common LIE that is taught in school.

YOU are the one parroting lies all over the place.


North Africa has always been the FAVORITE historical play-ground for european liars...surely they can't give credit to those Black Africans for a culture such as Egypt.

So they CLAIM that a small group of europeans(Berbers) from the ROMAN ERA were THERE ALL ALONG.:smt043

 

What are you rambling on about dude. Berbers are Europeans???????????? Their haplogroup belongs on the African continent and is indigenous to the African continent. They have been Africans from the inception of time. For all of known human history they have been Africans.

They are the people who for centuries were refered to as Africans. Go look up the history of the word "Africa".

People who carry the word about as if it is some reference to dark skin or dark kinned people are completely confused.

What is a "black African" to start with? The so-called "Black African" is as different from each other genetically as they are from berbers

 

:smt043Everything we learn about Africa in school is not true...Especially about North Africa.

The Berbers are GENETIC europeans...deal with it....!!

They were NOT in North Africa from the "inception of time".......the BLACK Africans were.

Eurocentrism has rotted your brain.