Mens´wish of having Baby

The fully makes it a bit subjective. I was counting on the divorce or breaks ups and not really on one american or western woman. It would be difficult for me to make comments about american women being my family has never married one. We are mostly from another country that has not fully been indoctrinated.

I was not pointing at your financial status. The article given by JordanC was pointing out that as men get older they tend to be more willing to get married as oppose to their younger counter part. You and I are, in fact, the same. I would not ask such a question at my age. It may be different at yours. I just didn't quite understand why you asked until I read the article and you answered the question. I think most people my age would not ask that question because it is not on our minds.

 

Honestly I could not answer that question with a number. Yes, I mean without public assistance. The number changes by country and by amount of people in the family. A family of 7 might not be able to live off of 100000 in the usa. They maybe able to do it in other countries. That's why I said you have to have enough money to take care of the family.

In an ideal world, it would be but this is not a ideal world. Are you going to 50-50 carry a baby or go through labor? bills and expenses should be done on proportions. Lastly, I have seen husbands who have lost their wives and vice versa. You can't have 50-50 with a dead person. You have to have enough money to take care of the children if the wife is gone. I saw this case with a man whose wife died of cancer. He had to bring to the state and admitted he could not take care of them. I very much agree with the idea of planning. Knowing that you can take care(fiancially and otherwise) of the kids if something happens to the wife is an important plan.

Yes, there is such a thing. If you can't feed your children and they are dying from hunger, that is not enough money. If you can't afford the essentials to live, then that is not enough. You have to be able to afford the essentials and not the luxuries that you just mentioned. You don't need a gold plated crib. You do need food. You don't need an SUV(which by the way is an unsafe car! It rolls over much easier than other cars). You can take the bus to get to work or bum a ride or buy a cheap car to get to your job and make money. Those who do it have enough money to do it.

I will not be living in Europe. Too far from home. You don't need to go to Europe to get those sensibilities. They are everywhere on the planet.

 

I agree, but I further exploration is required.

Europe will come out this downturn much sooner and much better than the United States. Weather the EU is kept intact is for another discussion, but having sweeping safety nets will prevent wide spread unemployment and while big companies like Nokia and BMW have moved some manufacturing to neighboring countries to take advantage of tax breaks and lower wages (specifically Poland). Tariffs would be so high if they just picked up and moved like so many US companies do, that its just not in their interest to move operations to China and further more, we lack solitary on almost ever social issue.

Oh yeah if your really close with your extended family and since you mentioned your not originally from America, this would be normal I can see being 5-7K miles away would be a concern. In my case I'm not in much contact with my extended family and while I would miss my immediate family and its convenient to have them near by, its not a a requirement.

Cost of Living is an interesting subject and should be explored outside this thread, but the economy is so bad, that many college grads are not even going to work in America and others with what has been termed "Soft" degrees are finding it very challenging to find work.

Basically the wages have gone down or has been stagnant since Bush took office. The Clinton Administration literally "Papered" over the last Recession with the Tech Bubble and ushered in the building blocks for the Financial Meltdown and Immigration/Drug Issues.

That's not to say you can't get an education and find your niche in our economy. It just means it much more difficult than it used to be. We don't engineer minimums into our economy so it doesn't fall of a cliff.

I believe a combined income of 60-70K can allow you to enjoy a fairly high standard of living.

 

I love hearing this....

 

A Woman cannot find total fulfillment from her husband alone. It sucks to get a great career followed by no marriage, or a divorce, but it's probably better than secretly slipping strychnine into his coffee every morning, or picking up an addiction or lover on the side.

Younger Women have less to offer their children after they are born. They have less wisdom to impart, less knowledge to assist, and less patience to nurture. Younger Women are more likely to abuse the kid and less likely to offer wise guidance. The children of Women who have been educated are more likely to pursue education of their own.

This is not to disparage younger Women who are mothers now. The majority of all Mothers, regardless of age, are pretty awesome.

But a Woman who has pursued her own dreams and achieved them can give herself totally to her family without resenting them, and use all that she learned along the way to give the children greater odds in this competitive world.

I was my Mom's last kid, and I got the best of her. I was better prepared for every class, I had better help studying for every test, I had better stories with stronger morals to them told to me at night and throughout the day. It has been a huge advantage in my life.

I found my husband very young in life, but we both chose to wait to have kids until we achieved a few of our own goals. It's risky, no doubt. But I look at the person I was a decade ago, and I was not nearly as qualified for the position of Mommy as I am today, and as I will be when we do decide to start trying.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPXokTCcPww

 

My own mother was 32 when she had me and even had been married once before (My father was a result of her second marriage), this was after being married the first time and having my brother Greg who died of SIDS.

I don't think we're talking horribly young women here, I am thinking or should I say looking/pursuing mid to late 20's.

Intangibles such as you mention are by name hard to measure the value of. I have various reasons for looking at mid to late 20's, as oppose to early to mid 30's. Considering how immature some women in their 40's act, age really has no bearing. I rather not take any unnecessary risk and would be devastated if I waited all this time to have children, relent because of social pressures to hook up with somebody closer to my age (2-5 years) and end up with a child suffering from some defect that's a product advanced age prior to child birth.

Its just hard, its almost depressing because many women by the time they reach 30 after spending the previous 5-10 years or longer raising a child or children on their own, they use that against you and don't want to have anymore children. Then call you all kinds of names and attack your level of maturity because you don't want to hook up with a woman with children, trying to say your afraid of "the responsibility" - HOGWASH!

So rather than deal with preconceived notions, I rather have a completely clean slate.

To have what I want however the price is very expensive.

 

Oh and I forgot to add, the majority of women on personals are between 30 and 45. Using Jordan's thread about when men are ready to get married and have children as a guide, if your still wishy-washy around the subject of children, that's the kiss of death in single circles. This would explain all the women over 35 that have never been married and says "I Don't Have or Want Children" in their personal profile.

 

I WANT TO REPORT THAT MY WIFE IS IN THE HOSPITAL TONIGHT. SHE IS ENTERING A CRITICAL STAGE FOR DELIVERING. I WANT TO REPORT IT ON THIS THREAD.

 

I hope everything goes well for her and the baby.

 

Thank you my friend.

 

Quick, somebody get some towels! Oh, wait, this is the internet.

GOOD LUCK MRS BLACKTIGER! Breathe!

 

Best wishes Blacktiger.

 

that's brilliant blacktiger...!!! best of luck to your wife, and congratulations to you both...!!!! :smt038

 

How cool is this!! Awesome!
best wishes BT, to you, your wife and the baby!!!

 

do we have an update? i didn't think she was due to deliver until late summer...hence critical?? i hope everthing went well with the delivery

 

Good Luck...

I hope your wife and child are doing well.

 

I just want to announce the wife and I have brought into the world a tiger cub. He is for me the most precious gift I have ever have been given in my life. He was not easy for the wife. He had to be delivered via cesarean. I want to thank those of you who had wished my wife and I well. I will never forget it. I will take a leave of absence from here for a while and take care of the loves of my life, my wife and son. Again, thank you all.

-Blacktiger, Blacktigress and Black Cub-1

 

OMG, congratulations!!!!!!
come back soon :smt039
Here's an angel for the little baby-tiger! :smt059

 

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I dont' know what's cuter, the baby laughing or the daddy laughing and loving the baby so much
Such a sweet dad :smt054