Modest men less succesfull with women.

I think its true that women like arrogant/confident guys more. I think for evolutionary reasons it makes sense. The men that were the best hunters and protectors were probably more confident/arrogant because of their abilities. Women in turn probably sought out the men that were more confident/arrogant because he would have been better at bringing home dinner and protecting the family.

I also think that confidence in men is probably directly related to levels of testosterone. The higher the testosterone levels the more confident/arrogant the man. I have heard WW say part of their attraction to BM comes from the fact that they are more confident. I have read studies that indicate BM have higher testosterone levels than WM, who have higher levels than East Asian men. Which would make sense why it seems Asian women like White men more.

 

Well its what my father would always tell say. Its funny you HATE some of my post and others you seem to like.

 

Hey even screaming homeless guys eventually say something credible

 

Center City Philadelphia has a lot of homeless guys and they never said anything credible when I lived there.

 

True. Nobody - not even Christians - likes or cares for the meek either, despite the fact that Jesus supposedly praised them.

 

This is all old news really. In the eighth century CE Bhavabhuti wrote "There is nothing which women despise in a man more than modesty", and he also wrote "Beware the fatal virtue which men call modesty and women sheepishness" - both in his classic book 'Baital Pachisi', which would be viewed by many today as misogynistic.

 

I apologize, it's my fault for not fully clarifying what I was trying to say. I didn't mean that there aren't orphanages for orphaned children, or elderly homes for the senile, or dog pounds for strays, etc. (But if you want to be technical, most of these institutions are exclusive to first world countries, not third world ones and so for the most part...I would be right either way) I was speaking of meekness in a romantic context. I made up this scenario for one of my friends and he thought it was quite funny. I put Jesus and Lucifer into a high school together. Jesus is basically nobody while Lucifer becomes prom king on account of his ability to charm, his ambition, his overall I-don't-bow-down-to-anybody attitude, and the natural gravitation of humans towards people with such qualities.

 

Logically speaking, everything that you say does make sense but there's more to it than that. This is an excerpt from 'You're Too Kind: A Brief History of Flattery', which totally changed my views on evolutionary psychology.

(pages 38-39)

Let’s say you are tramping around in the ancestral state and you’re feeling cold and hungry and weak. You come across a six-foot-eight mound of alpha male muscle tucking into a succulent piece of filet that he has just killed and roasted. Yes, you can try to thump him over the head and steal his supper--or you can try to ingratiate yourself in some way in the hope that (a) he won’t kill you and (b) he might even decide to share some of his repast with you. Which do you think is the better strategy? The genes that tell you not to punch him in the nose but to sidle up to him and casually mention what a fine and noble nose he has are more likely to survive into the next generation. Becoming buddies with him, whether through flattery or some other means, will be in your genetic self interest.
In fact, evolution seems to have ultimately favored sycophantic weenies over self-reliant bruisers, the Uriah Heeps, the Eddie Haskells and Eve Harringtons over the Samsons and the Schwarzeneggers. Smooth talk trumps brute strength every day of the week. Survival of the fittest is not survival of the strongest but sometimes of the most unctuous. When the species made what anthropologists call the Great Leap Forward fifty thousand years ago, it was the smaller, smarter chaps who triumphed over the big bruisers. MIT professor Steven Pinker has dubbed this the revenge of the nerds. The men that survived--and we are their descendants--were not the guys on the gridiron but the ones keeping stats in the locker room. It was the triumph of Woody Allen over Hulk Hogan.

It also coincides with the excerpt I just pasted and probably explains why black Americans have a shorter life expectancy than any other racial group in the country. Most of them just don't have the genes that tell you "don't punch him in the nose".

 

The Bible is favorable to the meek (Psalms 37:11), and I'm a Christian and I don't despise meek people. I despise bullies who pick on people who they think are meek, they need their ass kicked... clearly I'm not meek, but that doesn't mean I look down on people who are.

 

Interesting post DJ. You should post more brother.

 

I have to co-sign that!

 

Not for me

I disagree with the that statement. I am offended by obnoxious men. I like strong and quiet and that is sexy to me. The article is not to be taken seriously. Nicole

 

Precisely. Can't rep right now, but yes. Modesty is definitely more desirable than hubris any day of the week.

 

What people read and what they actually practice are two different things. I never implied that the Bible doesn't favor the meek.

Well, you implied that you wouldn't date someone whom you consider to be meek when you said that there's a difference between being modest and being meek, or at least that was my interpretation. For more clarity, see my response to Jay.

 

Thanks. I don't really fit in around here though. I just chime in every now and then if I think I can contribute insightful perspectives.

 

why do you say you dont fit in?

 

yeah, what she said.

 

Sadly this is true. I am always surprised at how many self-professed Christians have never read the Bible, it's appalling to me to go around quoting something you've never even read.

That wasn't what I was implying at all. In fact I said nothing about meek men until you brought it up. I said I favor modest people, and don't care for arrogant/cocky men. I have no issue with meek people. There is also a difference between being meek and being weak.

As for not fitting in, I recall there being a large amount of discussion in one of the religion threads that you took part in, however just because not everyone agreed with you doesn't mean you shouldn't stick around and offer your opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and some of us defend it rather zealously at times if the subject happens to one that is particularly heartfelt to us, but we do so respectfully for the most part. There is the occasional exception to that, and of course the trolls are rarely respectful, but they're trolls so you really don't expect that. The regular posters here are actually a very pleasant and enjoyable bunch of people, with very few exceptions. Stick around, post your thoughts, everyone benefits from open and diverse discussion.

 

Pick which adj you prefer I guess.
adj., meek·er, meek·est.
Showing patience and humility; gentle.
Easily imposed on; submissive.

 

Dude you fit in as much as anyone. We're all a bunch of misfits in here just by who choose to date so you definitely have a place here. Start a thread or two we might surprise you.