Modest men less succesfull with women.

Read this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1284519/Why-modest-men-brush-women.html

What you think.

 

There are intrinsic values to life, no matter if you are White; Black, Indian, Green, Short, etc. The theories described in the article is just a manifestation of one of those values.

Modest, more shy people finish last, are scooped up by dominate people and finish first, or are scooped up by equally or less dominate people and finish behind or last. Survival of the fittest baby, and I ain't finishing last lol:smt003

 

There is a difference between being modest and being meek. I find modesty an attractive trait in anyone. I personally don't spend time with arrogant, cocky people, they annoy me.

 

lippy is going to have to disagree with the article...perhaps i am the only one but there are rich, powerful, smart, savvy, educated men out there that are also modest...it is the all knowing of accomplishment...the need not to boast about their salary or where they went to school...the i've made it men or the ones that just know they are there...where they want to be "there" not someone else's ideal of "where" they should be...just mad cool sexy behavior...this is not the type of man that when you first start dating him he announces what kind of car he drives...he doesn't try to impress you with the most expensive restaurant...he probably doesn't live beyond his means...he is into quality not quantity...

lippy :smt049 a modest man

 

i think modesty comes with knowing your true purpose. if someone is simply striving to be the biggest and the baddest, then they'll probably turn snottier with each level of success. but when your success in business is just an aspect of your true being, there isn't much reason to lose your humility. i am not rich, so i will not pretend to understand from a first person's view. but i do have a couple rich (not born rich but rather they earned their riches) friends and they balance their lives pretty well. modesty just points to the person you really are. IMO

(note: i just reread some of this thread and i think i'm off topic. whoopsie... lol)

 

modest is confident.

 

Ok, I feel a disconnect here. What is the opposite of modest/modesty? Because You can be modest about material things, but confident or cocky when it comes to sports, or women. Relative to the article, I'm thinking of modesty in terms of a more timid, more introverted type of guy (maybe the extreme) opposed to very self confident, speaks their mind, more extrovert (but doesn't necessarily mean your super cocky).

 

you are such a rule breaker:smt079

 

Modest to me is someone who isn't constantly telling you how great he is, listing his accomplishments, telling you how sexy, rich, or perfect he is. Modest is the opposite of arrogant. Knowing who you are and what you're capable of isn't arrogant, that's common sense... telling everyone how great you are is arrogant.

 

I think some people can still be very arrogant even though they don't verbalize it much, they try and show you how great they are through their vast amount of expensive material wealth.

 

Oh yes FRESH, there is such a thing as unspoken arrogance as well. Though I do think that can be more easily confused with confidence. Some people are merely very confident in themselves, and I think it's mistaken for arrogance or vanity, especially in women. But in the case of someone who is always flashing money or material things, then it's more likely the arrogance you describe. My grandmother called people like that showy, the flaunting of anything was vulgar in her book. She'd be appalled now days at how prevalent that type of behavior is. BTW, missed you lately.

 

Exactly...what your grandmother described, is a value that we have lost, along with so many others. I really, literally wish I was born earlier time, I think I would have fit right in and or loved the mid 30's, not later than 50. I been in and around, a lot of class work plus my disdain for all of the chub chase talk (even though I fear I may have sparked it off), had me checking out lesser frequented and or debated threads. I have a couple fun thread ideas I came up with also that I'll post towards the end of the week(maybe that will help diffuse some of the e-hate as of lately). You good lil' lady?

 

I'm great FRESH, thanks for asking. I don't think the values are lost, they just don't get passed down as much anymore. I raised my children the way I was raised, so my grandmother's value system is intact for another generation. But sadly I think some people don't pass down what they view as outdated values and they get lost over the years.

I have to agree with you, e-hate isn't my thing either, but I refuse to allow a few bad apples to ruin the entire barrel for me. I think it's easy to be put off by dissention to the point that you just want to stay away, but I also know if we all did that then all that would be left were the dissenting people and that would be a real shame. I'm pleased you stick around, you and several others make WWBM a very enjoyable place to come to.

 

speaking as a nerd....i think it takes more guts being one because you are not putting up a front. a nerd is what he is. now that is confidence.

being nice and being a pushover is 2 different things. so is being modest and being an ass. nice is modest.

cool people/nice/modest lay back in the cut.

 

This is certainly a different take.

 

I suppose anytime someone goes against the grain, or defies the norm, that would be termed courageous. I think being content to be who you are no matter who is watching, and in fact not caring at all what other's opinions of you are, would therefore also be considered courageous. That's not a facet of this particular discussion that I would have considered on my own goodlove, but I see the validity to your line of thinking on this. :smt023

I've never been afraid to color outside the lines, in fact I was always encouraged to do so, therefore that's 'normal' to me. I think it's abnormal to try to conform to standards set by other people, or to suck up to someone for any reason, I just never saw the point. In fact people who kiss ass all the time confuse me, and people who like to have their ass kissed are even more confusing. Why on God's green Earth would I want a bunch of people telling me what they know I want to hear, that's not productive. Not to mention if that was a requirement of the people I interacted with, how would I ever truly know who liked me for me, or who was just kissing my ass? I can honestly say that whatever someone thinks of me, whether good or bad, I don't have to question whether it's genuine. That would drive me crazy, wondering all the time who was an actual friend, who just wanted something from me, and who was sucking up just so they didn't have to deal with my reaction if they didn't. That'd be exhausting!

Whew, okay that was a tad bit off track... but goodlove started it. Not his fault though, his commented just prompted me to consider that whole 'doing whatever necessary to just fit in, or to be popular' mentality that nerds don't subscribe to.

 

The ladies in here make excellent points all around, but the fact remains a LOT of women like a guy with swagger.

 

I dig what you are saying....let me start another thread .... LOL.... based off of this.....LOL

OOOHHHHH NOOOOO not another thread!!!!!! LOL:lol:

But being a nerd is real swagger !!!! It is not a POPULAR swag early in years

 

Confidence is knowing you are the MAN, Arrogance is trying to convince others that you are the MAN.

 

This I like. Good one