What our sons should be told about being a Black man.

Geez people if you gonna give me negative rep at least say who you are!!!

 

So, screw all facts that say otherwise, you'll fight for your anti-Black stereotype?

Nice priorities you got there.

You haven't surveyed all Black Church Leaders. You haven't got any numbers on your side at all. You prefer to quote the opinions of people who have something to gain from maintaining a particular stereotype, rather than even read the study that proves the stereotype untrue.

I'll say it again: Black fathers who are not living with the mother are more likely to still remain in regular contact with the child than ANY other race of Man.


I don't care if you don't like it, the facts are the facts are the facts.

Black Men are awesome, deal with it.

 

Please read the original article, its a lot of people in the Black community who see it as a problem. Its not just Black church leaders, its other people.

 

I am not denying we are awesome. Just pointing out we have a few flaws thats all.

 

:smt042 Love it! Was gonna rep you for the last sentence alone, but said i needed to spread the love before giving it to you again.

 

When you have read the original article. Explain to me why Tony Sewell director of Generating Genius would have to gain from seeing its a problem?

People in denial only screw it up for us, and hold us back, not help us.

 

The only person in denial here is you.

Facts are facts are facts.

The Coley study is there. Read it. But right now? You're the one denying the facts. Your appeals to authority, "well, this person thinks it's a problem!, that person thinks it's a problem!" are pointless. Opinion is not greater than fact.

Many, many people say that there were are Black Males in prison than there are in college, even though the statistics clearly say otherwise. That's because of opinion. Lots of people have that opinion, it's just not backed up by fact. Facts are greater than opinion.

Black fathers who are not living with the mother are more likely to retain regular contact with their children than ANY other race. Fact.

The end.

 

Thanks for the advice, if I ever pop out a lil biracial boy I'll be sure to take the advice.

I can see kinda where Loki was coming from. I'd always teach him that he is more than the colour of his skin but I'd let him know that sadly, that's how some people will see him.

Regarding the father thing... I think Madiba is right, maybe in the UK anyway. I can't speak about the USA though. From what I read before (not sure if it was posted before) but Afro Caribbean fathers are less likely to be involved in their child's life in the UK (I will look for the article). Goodlove has a good point too though about mothers that complain about how black men ain't shit but then don't even let them see their children when they want to.

[edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6956303.stm, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7509142.stm, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-436527/Scandal-absent-fathers.html]

"The black Caribbean community has a higher level of absent fathers than any other group. It is no small irony that, in an age when we're told that women can do everything, the absence of fathers is having a devastating effect on teenage black boys, turning them to drugs and violence in unprecedented numbers. But why should this be so?" (Daily Mail article)

 

Its obvious no one with authority rates this Coley study.

The end.

 

Thank you..Jesus the PC brigade helps no one.

 

So when presented with facts that have not been repeated by the authorities you follow, you prefer to ignore those facts.

You are incapable of making independent decisions not informed by people whose opinions you care about.

This is something you should have dealt with before going online.

 

Maybe they think Coley report is not reputable, have you considered that?

 

We will have to agree to disagree on this. Who gives a damn what other people think when it comes to appearance. I believe it comes down to mindset, of course other people will always have their own ideas, predjudices, ect. based on appearance, however it is imperative that an individual defines themselves, and not give a damn what other people may perceive them to be.

I, like many others here, have defied, dismantled and destroyed countless negative stereotypes of what a "Black Man" is/should be/can be/can/will achieve, ect. my whole life and continue to do so, and a big part of that is because I always believed in myself, defined who I am, and did not pay any attention to what others "thought" they knew about me based on my skin color.

 

All I am saying is they will be seen as Black, and defined as such when people talk about them...its not a matter if they care or not what other people think. Its simply something you have to accept. Thats all. Unchosenone articulates quite well.

 

Yeah, I'm not that educated about the issue but I've read about it. There are some interesting articles out there. The thing is if people sweep issues under the carpet they're never going to be resolved. Haha, I can't stand the "PC brigade" although I can be a little PC at times.

Here's another article that mentioned absent fathers from minorities and the effect on the child's mental health.

http://www.scie.org.uk/publications/briefings/briefing29/

"In some instances the negative effects of poor maternal mental health upon children can be counteracted by the presence of a supportive father. (6) While lone maternal parenting is commonplace in some BME communities, one qualitative British study showed that fathers who were not living with the children still supported them and their mothers in a range of ways, to the extent that they were not considered absent. (55) BME men, especially those of African–Caribbean descent, are more likely to be involved in coercive mental health interventions and are also over-represented in the criminal justice system, from which there is a high level of referral to mental health services. (18, 41) Unfortunately, the role of these men as fathers and their relationships with their children has not been explored in UK research. However a large-scale study involving more than two thousand school-aged children and their parents explored links between father figure involvement and children’s later mental health outcomes. It noted that the involvement of fathers with children at age seven protected against psychological maladjustment in adolescents from non-intact families. (51) Generally however, the negative experience for the child is increased and perpetuated by the absence of a father or other support systems. (7, 53)"

No one is saying black men are bad fathers. I highly doubt you as a black man would say that either, clearly by posting this you'll be a great black father one day.

 

Well tell you what. Go find quotes from each of them saying as much.

Meanwhile, there are no academics speaking against it, and no reason whatsoever to question it, aside from the fact that people you totally crush on haven't told you about it yet.

 

Stop being so damn PC and accept there is a problem.

 

Actually more and more people are recognizing bi-racial as the proper (if not still inaccurate) way to describe offspring of IR couples. My point is that just because people do still identify others based on their appearance, it is vitally important to not internalize any of that kind of outside influence.

 

Oh for fucks sake. Look at me, doing your research for you:

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/voices/373.html



Now we can play which celebrity you believe more, nameless "Black Church Leaders" or Dyson and Hutchinson. Ooh, I know! Let's see whose fan club has a better t-shirt!

Or you could just read the damned study.

 

I'm not being PC, I'm being the type of person who regularly follows reputable news stories pertaining to the Black community. Cause you know. Someday I'm gonna have a biracial kid.


I won't buy your stereotype, no matter how much you like it. It's still wrong. Facts are Facts. And Black Men are awesome, and biracial kids are awesome, and mine will know truth, not "common knowledge" bullshit.