Black or biracial? Census forces a choice for some. Your thoughts

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  1. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    Black or biracial? Census forces a choice for some


    By JESSE WASHINGTON, AP National Writer Jesse Washington, Ap National Writer – Mon Apr 19, 6:28 am ET

    There were 784,764 U.S. residents who described their race as white and black in the last census. But that number didn't include Laura Martin, whose father is black and mother is white.

    "I've always just checked black on my form," said Martin, a 29-year-old university employee in Las Vegas. She grew up surrounded by black family and friends, listening to black music and active in black causes — "So I'm black."

    Nor did it include Steve Bumbaugh, a 43-year-old foundation director in Los Angeles, who also has a black father and white mother. "It's not as if I'd have been able to drink out of the white and colored water fountains during Jim Crow," he said. "And I most assuredly would have been a slave. As far as I'm concerned, that makes me black."

    Friday was the deadline to mail 2010 census forms. Although the results are expected to show an increase in the number of multiracial people, some African-Americans with one white parent are deciding to simply "stay black."

    This is only the second census to allow people to identify themselves by more than one race. About 7 million people, or 2.4 percent of the U.S. population, chose that option in 2000.

    It's impossible to know how many of the 35 million people counted as "black alone" in 2000 have a white parent. But it's clear that the decision to check one box — or more — on the census is often steeped in history, culture, pride and mentality.

    Exhibit A is President Barack Obama. He declined to check the box for "white" on his census form, despite his mother's well-known whiteness.

    Obama offered no explanation, but Leila McDowell has an idea.

    "Put a hoodie on him and have him walk down an alley, and see how biracial he is then," said McDowell, vice president of communications for the NAACP.

    "Being black in this country is a political construct," she said. "Even though my father is white and I have half his genes, when I apply for a loan, when I walk into the car lot, when I apply for a job, they don't see me as half white, they see me as black. If you have any identifying characteristics, you're black."

    There is evidence, though, that while some may be resistant to the idea of identifying as multiracial, white attitudes are moving in that direction. In a January poll by the Pew Research Center, 53 percent of white people said Obama is "mixed race" and 24 percent said he is black. In contrast, 55 percent of black people said Obama is black and 34 percent said he is mixed.

    This also may represent a new twist on the "one drop" concept, which for centuries held that even one black ancestor made a person black. Now a brown-skinned man is president, and for many white people, one white parent means you are NOT black.

    But the logic is simple for Ryan Graham, the brown-skinned son of a white-black marriage who defines himself as multiracial.

    "Say you're wearing a black-and-white shirt. Somebody asks, 'What color is your shirt?' It's black and white. There you go. People ask me, 'What race are you?' I say I'm black and white. It's that simple," said Graham, a 25-year-old sales consultant from Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

    Graham's mother founded Project Race in 1991 to fight for a multiracial classification in the census. Graham testified before Congress on the issue when he was 8. He's disappointed that Obama chose not to check the white box on the census, but said that people should be allowed to define themselves however they choose.

    "It's frustrating from a point that there's a lot of multiracial people out there who see Obama out there doing that, knowing that he's multiracial, and they think maybe that's the right choice. But there's a lot of people saying maybe it's the wrong choice."

    For those who decline to check the white box: "Think about your family, think about what makes you you," Graham said. "How you are, who you are, where you come from."

    Most experts say there is very little genetic difference between people of different races — as little as 1 percent. "Race is a social concept, not a scientific one," goes a much-repeated quote from J. Craig Venter, who led one of the first projects to decipher the entire human genome.

    That's one reason why the American racial system is "facing taxonomical meltdown," said Nell Painter, a Princeton University history professor and author of "The History of White People."

    "The complications of the classification system, the resistance that people are mounting, the weight of immigration and marriage mixing, young people are checking more than one box," Painter said. "The system might just all fall away."

    Which would leave blackness to be defined person by person, according to how they think, the way they look at the world — blackness as a state of mind.

    Tony Spearman, author of "Why Am I Black," was born to two white parents. He grew up in a mostly black town, worked at a historically black college, taught physics to predominantly black students.

    On every census since 1996, Spearman has marked one box: black.

    "My wife got angry at me, my father got angry at me," said Spearman, 42. "They told me, 'You gotta be truthful!' I said, 'I am!' ... Race is a foolish thing. It has nothing to do with our humanness."

    "The system is breaking down, and I hope it continues to break down," Spearman . "Because when it fully breaks down, we'll start to measure people by the content of their hearts."
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    Just curious what do you think
     
  2. Danke

    Danke Member

    The things we do to divide ourselves from ourselves. Silly humans.
     
  3. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    I know . I hate to sound like a cliche but when are we gonna get pass this
     
  4. AnMDBCartoon

    AnMDBCartoon New Member

    All that should be necessary....and this IS semi-facetious, y'know.....is to have just ONE box that sez..

    PERSON?

    Mind you, semi-facetious also means semi-serious...with the personal scale of MINE tipping more towards the latter..








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  5. EnchantedApril

    EnchantedApril New Member

    Thank God most of us are mutts of one kind or another, are grateful for it, and love it, n'est pas?

    The Lord God created One Race = Human:smt008
     
  6. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    Quite a bit of black people in America have some european roots including malcolm X(from what I heard, his grand ma is white) and Al sharpton(related to a governor). The census allows you to pick what ever you want but it is really there for the elections. I say pick what you want.
     
  7. chicity

    chicity New Member

    When I was growing up, I knew a lot of biracial kids who cared a great deal about having a biracial option on the census. They didn't like having to choose just one race, they felt that in that case they would just choose Black, but felt that was denying their mother (as it happened, the biracial kids I knew were from BM/WW couples), or their relationship to her.
     
  8. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    I understand that. Im with that also.When tiger made that statement alot of black people booed him for it. ( from what I understand they, black folks, stated he denied his blackness. which doesnt make sense then he would have denied his father).

    If I was biracial and became mature I would choose both boxes.

    Now, I just choose all boxes because we are related some way or another. we are one strand different from another race. Black , white , asian ect...
     
  9. reggie2k8

    reggie2k8 New Member

    I think issues like this a prime example how slavery still at some level affects this country. Tiger Woods, Beyonce, Obama, etc are not black but society starting with white people way back when forced mix race people to choose black because having mix children refered to as black made them a slave, which meant more profits for slave owners. One drop rule. Black people overtime have adopted this "one drop rule" and now whenever a mix person doesn't get in lock step with this standard they are deemed as a sell out or ashamed to be black.
     
  10. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    good observation. People are just locked down in the mind
     
  11. reggie2k8

    reggie2k8 New Member

    Wow!!! I think you are the first person to give me a positive response.
     
  12. Carter

    Carter Member

    1. Beyonce is black

    2. What is black to you ?
     
  13. reggie2k8

    reggie2k8 New Member

    I guess she is black by American standards but I do know she has alot mixed ancestry. Look at her mother, would she pass for black in Africa? Its well known that Beyonce mother is creole which I believe is African, French, and Native American background. We don't know the exact percentage of her ancestry so won't even try to speculate. Her father is clearly black but her mother isn't. Black plus mixed doesn't equal black.
     
  14. Carter

    Carter Member

    "In africa". I'm not talking about Africa. I'm talking about black-America. I don't know what their thinking in africa but in the US, Beyonce, her mother and her sister are all light skin black women. Why would Beyonce make this song?

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  15. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    the point i believe he is trying to make .... in the end you are not fully black to say you are black. what you are saying by law of the land ( america) she is black.
     
  16. Carter

    Carter Member

    Really? How many black people in the americas (Usa, Jamaica ,brazil etc) are 100% black? If dudes like Wesley Snipes have European ancestry, he ain't black by some peoples logic. Dave chappelles (sp?) grandmother is white. Is he not black?
     
  17. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    i didnt make the rules. have you heard of the 1 drop rule ? That is why I stated the phrase "the law of the land(america)"

    some people are not fully black. also some people are not fully white.
     
  18. Inner Beauty

    Inner Beauty New Member


    Really? I didn't know that....
    True....
     
  19. LA

    LA Well-Known Member

    I'm black enough.
     
  20. Carter

    Carter Member

    Yep no lie. He's mentioned being quarter white a few times in the past, I can't find a pic of his grand-parents but this is his mom.
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