Immigration: Arizona strikes back

I find such a disconnect in that there are people here willing to give Sandra Bullock the benefit of the doubt, even tho she married & slept with a Hitler-heiling racist, but have none of that sympathy to spare for any Hispanic anywhere in the US.

 

We're talking illegals fool.

Bullock gets no benefit of the doubt from me.

 

One Last Comment:


If they wanna protest and go bellyachin' about it, fine.

It won't change anything...


What's gotta be done, has gotta be done..


IF they wanna have 'amnesty' granted to 'em..

Let 'em have it.

One ONE condition..................

THEY had BETTER pay back EVERY GODDAMN PENNY IN BACK TAXES THAT THEY SHALL *OWE* AS *U.S. CITIZENS*....along with the CURRENT & FUTURE TAXES that they'll be paying to the IRS/Gov't.


NO sponging of the system, m8's...it's gonna be a WHOLE new ballgame from here on in..






'Nuff Said!!!!














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They especially get no sympathy from me. I come from a family of immigrants I'm the first person in our family born here so I'm very close to the immigration issue and with that said everyone in my family became a legal citizens and Jamaica is a third world country too so fuck there problems. Its a slap in the face to my grandmother who had to litterally sleep on someones kitchen floor to save money so my aunts and uncle and my mom could come here while she saved for her own citizenship. No sympathy especially to those who have been here for years and refuse to learn english and assimilate and on top of that wave their shitty flags all over the place. And if Sandra Bullock wants to be racist that's fine at least I'm not paying for her to stay here and be racist against me like the Hispanics.

 

racism is alive and well the year 2010 in america

 

And will be until we evolve.

 

or too mixed to make out black from white.

 

Arizona's Immigration Law Faces New Road Blocks




PHOENIX (April 29) -- A referendum drive and a lawsuit have emerged as potential road blocks to Arizona's tough new law on illegal immigration that has thrust the state into the national spotlight.

The legal action set to be filed today in federal court is aimed a preventing enforcement of the controversial measure, while the ballot question could put it on hold until 2012.

Signed last week by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, the law requires local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally, and makes it a state crime to be in the United States illegally.
Following Arizona's passage of its tough new immigration law, immigration supporters have been protesting across the country. Here, a demonstration was held Wednesday outside Federal Plaza in New York City.


A draft of the proposed lawsuit obtained by The Associated Press shows the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders will seek an injunction preventing authorities from enforcing the law. The group argues federal law pre-empts state regulation of national borders, and that Arizona's law violates due-process rights by allowing suspected illegal immigrants to be detained before they're convicted.

Other Hispanic and civil rights groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, are also planning lawsuits. And U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has said the federal government may challenge the law.


On Wednesday, a group filed papers to launch a referendum drive that could put the law on hold until 2012 if organizers wait until the last minute to turn in petition signatures needed to get the measure on the ballot.

Opponents of the law have until late July or early August to file the more than 76,000 signatures - the same time the law is set to go into effect. If they get enough signatures, the law would be delayed until a vote.

But the deadline to put a question on the November ballot is July 1, and a referendum filing later than that could delay a vote on the law until 2012, officials with the Secretary of State's Office said.

"That would be a pretty big advantage" to the law's opponents, said Andrew Chavez, head of a Phoenix-based petition-circulating firm and chairman of the One Arizona referendum campaign.

The legislation's chief sponsor, Republican Rep. Russell Pearce, said he has no doubt voters will support the new law at the ballot box, which would then protect it from repeal by the Legislature. In Arizona, measures approved by voters can only be repealed at the ballot box.

The clergy group's lawsuit targets a provision allowing police to arrest illegal-immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them, according to the draft. It says the solicitation of work is protected by the First Amendment.

State Rep. Ben Miranda, a Phoenix Democrat who will serve as the local attorney on the case, said it was important to file the suit quickly to show local Latinos and the rest of the country that there's still a chance the law won't be enacted.

"I think there's real damage being caused right now," Miranda said. "How do you measure the kind of fear ... going on in many parts of this community?"

At least three Arizona cities also are considering lawsuits to block the law. Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon said the measure would be "economically devastating," and called on the City Council to sue the state to stop it from taking effect.

The council rejected that idea Tuesday, yet the mayor told reporters he retained legal counsel to prepare a lawsuit to file on behalf of the city.

Tucson leaders also are considering their options to block the law, and Flagstaff City Councilman Rick Swanson said the city had a duty to protect its residents who might be targeted.

Meanwhile, the effect of the law continued to ripple beyond Arizona.

A Republican Texas lawmaker said she'll introduce a measure similar to the Arizona law next year. Texas Rep. Debbie Riddle of Tomball said she will push for the law in the January legislative session, according to Wednesday's editions of the San Antonio Express-News and Houston Chronicle.

And Republicans running for governor in Colorado and Minnesota expressed support for the crackdown. "I'd do something very similar" if elected," Former Rep. Scott McInnis, told KHOW-AM radio in Denver.

 

I'm just going to point out that if they are illegal and working in the US, they're paying taxes. They provide counterfeit SS cards, green cards, etc., and they pay taxes under whatever false SSN they use. Most of the time the SSN belongs to someone deceased, but it takes the government @ 18 months to notice that, a fact the illegals are aware of, so by the time it gets flagged by SS they've obtained a new card with a new number. Makes it very difficult to catch them. So they do pay taxes. I'm not saying that offsets the public assistance they often receive in the form of food stamps and medicaid for their children, just pointing out that people assume if you aren't a US citizen that you don't pay taxes, and that's not always the case. If you are posing as a legal immigrant, or a US citizen, you have to provide proof that would 'appear authentic to the average person', and one of those items is a SSN which allows you to be taxed.

 

this is a very good point!

after doing my own personal taxes i realized that i didn't end up paying that much either...i paid about $1400 to the state and got $200 back...$4000 into federal and got back $2000...i also pay sales tax as well as property taxes but it doesn't seem overwhelming to me...i file a long form and i am a receipt savvy woman...i document everything...my biggest expense is my mortgage...the banks make more money off of me than the federal goverment

 

I had a discussion with someone on this very subject a few days ago. They do pay just like the rest of us and it just goes into a fund which they will never collect on.



http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm

Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time
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By Travis Loller, Associated Press
NASHVILLE — The tax system collects its due, even from a class of workers with little likelihood of claiming a refund and no hope of drawing a Social Security check.
Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year.

Paycheck withholding collects much of the federal tax from illegal workers, just as it does for legal workers.

The Internal Revenue Service doesn't track a worker's immigration status, yet many illegal immigrants fearful of deportation won't risk the government attention that will come from filing a return even if they might qualify for a refund. Economist William Ford of Middle Tennessee State University says there are no firm figures on how many such taxpayers there are.

"The real question is how many of them pay more than they owe. There are undoubtedly hundreds of thousands of people in that situation," Ford said.

But some illegal immigrants choose to file taxes and write a check come April 15, using an alternative to the Social Security number offered by the IRS so it can collect income tax from foreign workers.

"It's a mistake to think that no illegal immigrants pay taxes. They definitely do," said Martha Pantoja, who has been helping Hispanic immigrants this tax season as an IRS-certified volunteer tax preparer for the non-profit Nashville Wealth Building Coalition.

Among those she has assisted is Eric Jimenez, a self-employed handyman who has worked in Nashville for several years. He feels obliged to pay taxes — even though, as Pantoja said, "nothing would happen" to him if he did not.

"I have an idea, a mentality, that to be a good citizen you have to pay taxes," he said. "Also, I'm conscious of the fact that the money we pay in taxes supports the schools and all the public services."

Pantoja said she has helped a number of construction workers who, because they are classified as independent contractors by their employers and have no taxes withheld, owe big tax bills come April. Beyond income tax, they have to pay the full Social Security and Medicare taxes due.

The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare.

The agency estimates that for 2005, the last year for which figures are available, about $9 billion in taxes was paid on about $75 billion in wages from people who filed W2 forms with incorrect or mismatched data, which would include illegal immigrants who drew paychecks under fake names and Social Security numbers.

Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100%, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

Nine billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but it is only about 1.5% of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.

The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.

Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.

This is especially important as the 78 million-member baby boom generation begins to leave the workforce and draw Social Security checks.

"Overall, any type of immigration is a net positive to Social Security. The more people working and paying into the system, the better," Hinkle said. "It does help the system remain solvent."

The Social Security Administration drew from census and Immigration and Customs Enforcement data in 2007 to project the effects of higher and lower immigration patterns.

If net immigration is high at 1.3 million people a year, the SSA's combined trust fund would be exhausted in 2043. But the fund runs out four years earlier if annual net immigration amounts to about half that — 472,500 legal immigrants and 250,000 illegal immigrants.

The Internal Revenue Service doesn't have an estimate of how many illegal immigrants pay income tax.

But one indicator is the 9 million W-2 forms with mismatched names and Social Security numbers it received in 2004. The IRS said the W-2 forms with invalid Social Security numbers reported about $53 billion in wages and about three-fourths of that, $40 billion in wages, had taxes withheld.

The IRS also has been issuing Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers, or ITINs, for 12 years to foreigners without a Social Security number. It's believed that many workers who seek the ITINs are in the country illegally, and the IRS reported that there were 2.5 million tax returns filed with an ITIN in 2004.

In 2006, then IRS Commission Mark Everson told Congress that "many illegal aliens, utilizing ITINs, have been reporting tax liability to the tune of almost $50 billion from 1996 to 2003."

An IRS spokesman said more recent figures aren't available.

The Social Security and Medicare taxes from mismatched W2s for the same period was $41.4 billion, Hinkle said.

That adds up to roughly $90 billion in federal taxes during they eight-year period.

The IRS defends the ITIN system, despite criticism that some illegal immigrants have used it to open bank accounts, get mortgages and establish a record of residency and taxpaying they hope might someday lead to legal status.

"The ITIN program is bringing taxpayers into the system," Everson told Congress.

Ford, of Middle Tennessee State University, said a majority of economists agree that illegal immigrants are a net benefit for the U.S. economy.

He said the tax contributions from illegal immigrants, including sales taxes, property taxes and excise taxes (such as the gas tax), are significant.

He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006. That number assumes illegal immigrants are 30% less productive than other workers.

"If anything we need more immigrants coming into the country, not less, especially with the baby boomers retiring," he said.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

 

Here is the fairest critique of this new law that I have found. Being a resident of AZ there has been almost nothing else on the news this week...


Arizona immigration law fact-checked

Related rulings:
The new Arizona immigration law "says that any police officer can stop anyone who appears to them to be reasonably suspicious of being an undocumented person."

Alfredo Gutierrez, Monday, April 26th, 2010.
Ruling: Mostly True | Details
Under the new Arizona immigration law, police can't stop someone to check their immigration status unless they think they see something illegal.

John Huppenthal , Monday, April 26th, 2010.
Ruling: False | Details
"What the Arizona law does is make a state crime out of something that already is... a federal crime."

George Will, Sunday, April 25th, 2010.
Ruling: Mostly True | Details
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A Customs and Border Patrol agent patrols along the international border in Arizona, where lawmakers have passed legislation to crack down on illegal immigration.


When Arizona's Republican governor, Jan Brewer, signed the nation's toughest immigration law on April 23, 2010, it sparked a fierce national debate.

Generally speaking, the law -- which would go into effect in 90 days -- makes being an illegal immigrant a state crime and requires legal immigrants to carry papers that confirm their legal status.
Opponents warned the law will lead to racial profiling, while proponents said you'd have to do something illegal before law enforcement would start questioning you about your immigration status.
Those competing perspectives arose in an exchange on the April 26 edition of the MSNBC program Hardball, and we weighed in with fact-checks of both sides.
In one item, we checked a claim from Republican State Sen. John Huppenthal, a supporter of the new law, who said it would not permit police to simply stop a car full of people who look like they might be illegal immigrants, that the police must suspect that something illegal is being committed before asking someone for proof of legal status. But we concluded that's not correct, that the law says the police officer just needs "reasonable suspicion'' that the person is an alien that is unlawfully present in the United States. The police are prohibited from using a profile based solely on racial or ethnic factors, but that standard can be sidestepped. And so we rated his claim False.
We also looked into the counter-claims from former Democratic State Sen. Alfredo Gutierrez, an opponent of the law, that the law would allow a police officer to stop "anyone who appears to them to be reasonably suspicious of being an undocumented person." We concluded that while the law does appear to provide significant latitude for law enforcement officers in Arizona to question people about their immigration status, it also says the grounds cannot be based on race or ethnicity alone. We rated his claim Mostly True.
And lastly, we looked at a statement from conservative columnist George Will who said on ABC's This Week, that the new law only reiterates federal statutes. We looked at the state and federal immigration laws and found that when it comes to some of the most talked about parts of the law having to do with aliens who fail to carry their proper paperwork and who fail to register, Will is correct; federal law already makes those two provisions a crime. But the Arizona law does break some new ground, adding provisions related to picking up day laborers on the street for hire. We rated Will's claim Mostly True.

 

So this wasn't the law before?

This is all within perfect reason and I'm all for preventing and deporting people who are not lawfully here, though like Flaminghetero said, I don't believe illegals will be deported because TPTB want them here and they want to turn us into to the same class of worker with no social distinction or rights.

The only thing that really matters is what happens when they are found out to be illegal? Will and how will they be deported? The only way to determine legality is to determine identity and if you believe like me that the TPTB really don't want illegals to leave, then the identity measures are really for us citizens. Some of you might not care cause you don't fit the illegal profile, but it's a first they came scenario, so I'm rather suspicious when there's a chance of citizens losing further rights in the name of "stopping outsiders"...sound familiar....

 

Whatever they pay in taxes they get right back in the form of earned income tax credits.

They OFTEN lie about their number of dependents.


They send more out of the Country than they pay in taxes...even if they did pay them..which they don't.

 

They will never be deported.

The elites in washington want to turn the Country into an unregulated sweatshop with no middle-class.

Washington is owned by Wall Street...we will get no relief from the politicians.

 

Exactly!!!

 

We need to help ourselves. The one thing the tea baggers have right is assembling and figuring stuff for ourselves. Politicians clearly don't care so we gotta care about ourselves before its too late.

Btw to Espy JC and Lippy technical foul. Please don't act like most of those illegals don't do under the table work ie construction bus boys and illegal daycares. Id be surprised if ten percent ssn.

 

you go ahead and go to the line...andrae steps up to the line...gets the tip of his shoe right behind it...:smt026:smt026bounces the ball a couple of times...bends his knees...positions the ball for a basket...lifts his body up for a leap and pushes the ball from his hands...

will he make it...nooooooooooooooooooooooo...it's an airball...the crowd roars for the ladies....

 

Lol good one. But I'm sure I'll win the season though lol