Ok if you were to be gay for one day . who would you get with ?

I agree, I think you're all smarter than that. There's a difference between not being able to formulate an opinion, and having one but just not sharing it.

 

Espy what frame of reference would a straight man have about which men are good looking??? We know the type a men women are attracted to but not by personal experience or preference. We don't actively waste time looking at men trying to figure out if they are good looking and we damn sure aren't checking for them to see if we think women think they are good looking. It may sound sexist but it really is a cock thing.

Porn is the number one form of entertainment in the world, most porn that is consumed is straight, what percentage of men do you think occupy that category? I would imagine that number is above 80%. So with that type of consumption what do you think we are doing we are not watching porn? If we're single we are out chasing ass, drinking, working, playing video games. If we're married we can't wait to break our wives off the first chance we get, drinking working and playing video games.

Books it's not a chess thumping thing or a tough guy thing, it's the real. If I am with the fellas and we are at a jump off watching the game. We are snapping on each other, drinking and talking about women, rating the waitress on a 'HIT IT' scale and on, and on, and on....

 

Yourself? You've never looked at another man and thought 'I've got him beat in the looks department'? I've heard men make comments like 'how'd he get her, she's hot and he's ugly as hell', when they look at couples. One would assume if you have some point of reference for determining what 'ugly' is, then you can use that to also determine what 'handsome' is. I'm not saying rating guys is a typical pastime for men, but I find it difficult to believe you can't do so at all.

 

Bingo
Of course men know if someone is very good looking. Clearly they do as most men know if they, themselves are good looking or not. I dont know why some men has such a hard time saying it out loud.
I mean what MT said then should apply to women too but we have no problem stating if another woman is hot without anyone questioning our sexual preference.

 

i think for most men it's a pass/fail system. "just a dude" or an "ugly muthafucka". so when a guy says "dag, she is too hot for that guy..." the statement is just saying this guy doesn't pass in the looks department. so he probably has a couple well fed bank accounts. either that or he is puttin in some serious work, got her eyes blinded with the cum drunk goggles.

 

I agree FG, that's just inconceivable to me. I do think it's unfair that women's sexual preference isn't questioned when we comment on another woman's beauty, but a man's typically is.

Okay AdventurSum, the pass/fail system I can understand. But it amuses me that men think a woman won't be with an 'ugly muthafucka' unless he's got money or is outstanding in bed. I was having a discussion on attraction with a good friend the other day, and I was trying to explain to him that it's 100% personality with me. If the personality is great, nothing else really matters to me. The sexiest man I've ever known was 5' 4" and around 280 pounds. He was just the most amazingly sweet and funny man I'd ever met and I loved him a lot. What he looked like had nothing to do with who he was, and who he was is what I found irresistibly attractive.

 

yea, that doesn't translate in a man's brain. i don't know one single dude that would choose a woman solely on personality. there's gonna have to be something appealing about her physically for him; face, frame, somethin! lol

and was that sexiest man ever... who was short and round, and sweet as a double dipped candy apple... was mr. man poor with a vienna sausage woody? doubt it. lol

 

He was a farmer, so he wouldn't have been considered rich by any means, but he wasn't destitute either. As for the other, I never sampled him so I don't know about that, but it's not something that would have been a disqualifying factor either way.

 

well would you accept my compliment to you by saying you're part of the chosen few? :smile: i really do feel the majority of the relationships out here that involve women with ugly dudes have some kind of story behind them that would typically involve the level of the finances and/or the sex game.

but i can accept if i am totally incorrect in thinking that. actually, i would love to be wrong on this one. that would suggest that people are getting with people for genuine reasons. and how refreshing would that be?! :smt007

 

This is not about whether or not men go around rating other men but you still can't look at a guy celebrity and think he's a good-looking guy?

Scenario: you're in line at the grocery store with your girlfriend/wife and on the cover of "People" is Morris Chestnut. Your girlfriend/wife turns to you and says, "that guy is HOT!". What you're saying is it is impossible for you to judge his looks? Is some mythical fairy going to materialize out of nowhere when you agree with your wife/girlfriend that he's a good-looking dude and take your man card away?

They've done studies where they've shown pictures of men and women to babies (both sexes!!) and they've shown that good-looking people get a better response from the babies than ugly people.

Men are afraid that their "man card" will be taken away if they dare to admit that Morris Chestnut is a good-looking dude.

I don't think any of us are saying that men should go around judging other men with they're with their "boys", but come on, you can't judge a man's looks? I find that very hard to believe.

 

I think you are partly right but you must not forget that women - in general -arent driven by looks as much as men.... past a certain age, when we are less run by hormones and want to settle down.

You honestly think the majority of all relationships is not built on genuine reasons? That is sad, I do believe that the majority of real relationships are initiated for genuine reasons.

 

sounds like a pass/fail system to me. i doubt the babies were distinguishing levels of the looks. lol

 

i have to throw the technicality flag on this play, homie. you narrowed it down to "real" relationships. my comment was on relationships in general. which i would follow by questioning what distinguishes a relationship as being real or not. and i would venture to guess the explanation of that would probably be a part of the premise of my previous statement.

 

Compliment accepted, and I believe that there are more than a few people out there who get with people for genuine reasons. Personally I think it's connected to how content you are with yourself and your circumstances. I think people tend to look for in others whatever they lack for themselves. So if finances are your worry, then that's important to you in a partner. Some people measure their own self-worth by how attractive a partner they can attract. Certainly there are just people who are vain, egocentric, or materialistic, but they don't represent everyone. I'm not materialistic in the least, I don't need financial assistance to maintain my lifestyle, and physical beauty isn't a biggie for me either. So that means my 'criteria' for a man is pretty minimal, and personality is the main thing.

 

I think real relationships far outnumber the fake ones tho - homie
LOL

 

Noooooo!! Why would I care if I have another guy beat in the looks dept????? I'm doing me Espy! I get the women I get because of me and I don't get these women for the same reason. The men you heard making those statements have their issues getting women. Here's another perspective about "it's a cock thing".

Espy, a woman can go into a bathroom and strike up a conversation with a strange woman about her shoes. That's a woman thing, guys don't strike up a conversations with strange men about nothing. We do what we do, hands get washed and we're out....

Here's another, if your best friend got her breast enlarged and you've never felt them before, more likely than not you'd feel them. If my man got his cock in enlarged, I can tell you what's not going to happen...

 

okie dokie. we can agree not to agree on that one. no worries. :smt109

 

i agree with your analysis of people.
and as far as your personal share there, sounds like a winner! :smt023

 

I think you are omitting a whole group - the middle American.
The average American dont have particular grandiose aspirations. They stay within their social and economical group - marry their highschool sweetheart have their 2.5 kids and avergae jobs. Happy or not.
That is the average American, they are quiet and you dont hear much about them. But they are the vast majority.

 

No actually I wouldn't Malik. I have no interest in feeling up another woman, I'm curious by nature, but I'm not that damn curious! However you are correct that women are more open about talking personal stuff with another woman, even if she's a complete stranger. I've had more than my fair share of odd conversations in bathrooms with women I don't know.