I've always wondered this. Most guys I know don't have the balls to talk to women on the fly in shops/museums etc. They say they do but they don't. The vast majority will meet their ladies-to-be in a class, through work or occasionally at bars/clubs (though this one is more rare). Now I'm in finance, so I DO get to meet chicks in my place of work. In fact, it's where I met my current SO. But I wonder, for those who are in more math/engineering oriented fields, where there are usually a surplus of males to females in both school and work - where the hell do these guys meet chicks? Are they like constantly on the prowl as they walk around (wherever) or what? Are they completely limited to just go clubbing? Which I don't find realistic since there are always work pile-ups/back-logs where you just don't have much time. So where do these guys find girls (I'm assuming they do coz I know a few married engineers/mathematicians)?
Is this a joke? Why do you think that its only engineers/math guys that have pile-ups/back logs?? I think that is a problem for everybody with a career these days.. no time etc. I dont think they have any harder time than anybody else, its like you are hinting at them being married to a lesser extent.. that is just silly. It has nothing to do with you choice of education.. it has to do with a whole lot of other stuff.
Speaking as an ex-IT Manager, we simply have to try that much harder off the job, the last department I oversaw had 15 males Analysts, and 2 chicks on the helpdesk - not a great ratio. On the other hand, it's not so gut-wrenching for most in the hard-science professions, as most of us are more comfortable with spreadsheets/computers/data than with people, and as you know the work reinforces that existing trait. From convo's with the tech guys who worked for me, I deduced that most met their girlfriends through friends of friends, or friends of sisters. One dude was actually in the process of importing some Macedonian dame! There are a bazillion ways to meet women - but you've got one, so unless you want a second one, you don't need to worry, do you??
Yes, Yes we do. Engineers are even less social than most men. If you couple that with the fact there is less women engineers, it plays a big role in problems during college life.
As an engineer, you don't go to college for the social life but to get in and out and get paid most of the time. Usually clubs are a bad place to meet women for a long term relationship. I would imagine you could do the speed dating thing. At least, that is what I would do if I was not still going for a degree. I can hang out in the science field though. There are a lot of women majoring in biology. You are a very lucky guy if you can bag a woman that is as good or close to good as you in your major in engineering.
That is such a stereotype! and I AM a science geek. My guy is an Engineer and not one bit socially challenged, neither is his engineering friends. My friends are mostly engineers or other science geeks - like myself (Im a Biokemist - also a line of work with mostly men and LONG days). In undergrad and graduate school I didnt see most male students having any specific throuble... Not much time to date in either undergrad or grad school because of the heavy school work but most seem to be doing just fine. I know my male class mates were scoping out the psycology majors because they were outside and had more time than us. I can tell you that the vast majority of my male friends although we all work way over 40h weeks have no problem finding women and are less social than any other friend I have with a non engineer/math education. Btw, then you shold throw in all Science geeks and not only go with Engineering/Math. I give you that science has more socially challenged people - I know, I had my lab full of them when I did my graduate work and post-doc. I had one girl in my lab that never EVER in 2 years made eyecontact or said "goodmorning". But saying that all engineers/math people are less social is a far cry from reality.. The ratio is hinger than in the general public, ABSOLUTELY - I give you that. But a general statement like that (THE Enegineers/Mathematicians? C'mon - its never that easy. I disslike ANY sweeping statements like that. There are too many of them and some of them regarding race and color we discussed here with anger. But its ok to make them about other stuff?? I say they are never ok.
I wasn't saying that engineers or mathematician's social life was dead but that it was not as social as most guys. By your own admission, you gave reasons such as a heavy workload and even said that the less social of your male friends were getting girls. I was also keeping in a scope of getting a girl in your field. We usually have to go out of our field. There's nothing wrong with that. I would never get any where if I didn't. Both you and I know that it is very hard for engineers to find a woman that is in their field for a straight man or homosexual/bi woman. Your relationship is proof of it. It is always easier for both sides to relate to each other when they are working in the same industry. General statements usually do not include some, most etc. in order to avoid making them general. example women are even shorter than most men. THis is not to say all women are shorter than men but that most are. There are women taller than men. The wnba is proof of it at the very least.
You can wring what I wrote to fit your agenda all you want.. My comment fits your argument..as well as mine - and that on its own prove my point. What you are missing is that Im not saying you are wrong in your statment Arch, why are you missing that? Im saying do NOT generalize and say that this is the case for all egineers/Math or science people. My relationship proves nothing (its just a pure accident that he is an engineer) - I never dated a science guy before and his X wife is a CPA. And my science friends are just as social as my non science friends. I think the original question should have been what do men that lack social skills and lack time find women or something like that.. that was the question, now it became something completely different, granted Im partly to blame your comment about generaizing about women being shorter is just silly. So you can go on generalizing and I will still stick to my opinion that its never good to generalize. It will never be correct. Edit: btw - What you wrote above are things I never disputed - going "outside" to find a mate etc. AThat was never a part of my discussion. All I was saying is that you cant say that all engineers/math peeps are socially challenged..
Your previous reply(second latest reply by you) seemed to be accusing me of generalizations. Just was wierd to have a reply to me about generalizations that wasn't about the op's first post. I didn't know what it had to do with the previous posts from before it was posted except that it could be accusing me of it lol. That was why I took such defense to it. I agree that we shouldn't make generalizations though. Also, the women comment about height is not a generalization. lol It needs to have all of something lol. The word Most leaves exceptions. A
I don't understand why he even asked the question:smt104 if it doesn't apply to him, why ask? Although BMJ was xxxyoungblood and he was doing a engineering degree or some shit, why not just come back in his original format
I'm in my 30's. When I first started in this field before the World Wide Web and the dot com craze back in the 90's, MOST of the guys in the field were TRUE geeks back then. Other than administration you NEVER saw females at least not at work. I was an engineer working in a space physics labratory at a world class university. Everything was prototype stuff, you had to sign a contract stating you couldn't even discuss what you were working on or you could get up to two years in jail. Around the mid 90's when they brought broadband service to the midwest for the internet, I became a field engineer. It was our job to make it work. We started at 8:00 in the morning and would just be getting our second wind by 5:00 pm. There was no such thing as an 8 hour shift. Hell, there was not such thing as a 10 hour shift. We sometimes didn't leave the field until midnight. When they started adding internet phone service ( VoIP ), we had to rotate going on call for a week. You were called out sometimes at 3:00 in the morning because a fiber line had been cut and you had to go splice it back together. Depending on how the network was designed, you could find yourself in the woods, way out in bum-f@@@-Egypt or in some farmers' corn field way out in no man's land. There were no women that worked with us which was why when we had time off, all we did was hunt down females. There were two places that I spent wayyyyy too much time in during those days, strip clubs and casinos. Those casino waitresses knew what our favorite drinks were and would have them waiting for us at the gaming tables as soon as they saw us come through the door. There were certain strippers that made it their duty to figure out our work schedules so they could be in the club on our days off. Now I'm not saying everybody met women this way, we all had our methods but we were never starved for female attention.
My husband was finishing his degrees in Chemistry and Math when we met at work. He was not working in a job related to Chem and Math, though.
I know a whole shitload of animation, film, graphic design, and IMD nerds who'll never get laid. No lie. One of my classmates is a 34 year old virgin. It's not for lack of trying...he's just completely socially inept.