Fort Hood Texas Shooting

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html

There was a major shooting in Fort Hood, TX today. This is horrible.

 

Crazy, and ol boy was some sort of trama counselor/doctor/shrink.

 

God damn. What's up with all these spree shooters.

 

Thats so sad I was stationed at Fort Hood thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families

 

Pardon me for not being politically correct, but this bastard was a terrorist who murdered our men and women in uniform. I know he will be given a pass in the media but, lets call a spade a spade, this bastard was a lone wolf muslim terrorist who should have died for his crime. The reports coming out is that the army knew this guy was a problem, but the army leadership like much of this society has been infected with political correctness that it did not want to offend a member of a protected group.

 

So true!

 

This is the first time I heard of a mid-level officer, committing fratricide like this. Bananas. They're supposed to be beacons of respect, not tools of "senseless" murder, especially against fellow soldiers.

 

Beacons of respect? Murder? These people agree, upon signing up, to commit state-sponsored murder on command if or when ordered to do so by a superior officer.

And with thousands of dead Iraqi civilians at the hands of those uniformed animals, I'll shed no tears for them. Nor will I shed any if the murderer himself dies. Interestingly, this is a case of an actual murderer killing potential murderers.

I'll reserve sympathy and prayers for the families of all concerned.

 

I've lurked for some time now and have enjoyed reading past threads, but this is the first time I really felt compelled to reply to a post.

Categorizing people who join the military as 'animals' and 'murderers' is shocking, as well as rude, and technically incorrect. From reading some of your posts I see that you are all about correctness, so let me appeal on that level.

Murder is defined as involving malice (evil intent), neither of which apply to a military offensive. I don't argue that military personnel are sometimes required to take human lives, that's the nature of war, however it's not a personally driven impulse.

As for animals, well the definition itself excludes the term being applied to a person: "any such living thing other than a human being." The term 'animal' cannot be applied to a person in anything other than an extremely derogatory way. Though some people clearly lack 'home training' as my mother would say, we're all still human.

Essentially people in the military put their own lives on the line, knowing that at some point they may be called upon to give their lives for a cause they may, or may not, fully believe in, which IMO is a very selfless thing to do. They do it because they believe in the ideal of freedom, not necessarily because they agree with every US policy. I for one am humbled by their willingness to guarantee my personal freedom and security, and the fact that I may not agree with the orders they follow at times, does nothing to diminish my gratitude for their service.

I am curious if your obvious distaste for the military applies to all military forces world-wide, only the American military, or only those currently stationed in Iraq?

If I remember correctly, I believe you are located in the UK? If it weren't for the over 400,000 Americans, and close to that same number of UK enlisted men and women that lost their lives in WWII, you might well be seeing the swastika everytime you walk out your front door. Those 'murderers' killed a massive number of Germans, Japanese and Italians to secure your freedom. As for myself, I feel the appropriate thing to do is either enlist and contribute to one's own defense, or simply say thank you very much. I'm gonna go with thank you.

The loss of a human life, any human life, is tragic and should never be approached in a cavalier fashion; however, it is a sad fact of life that the world is a better place without some people in it... people like Hitler and Saddam Hussein. They were murderers, the people who defeated them are heros.

Damn, this turned out entirely too long. Hopefully this won't piss you off, that wasn't the intent, merely expressing my opinion in response to yours. Pretty sure I spelled everything correctly and the punctuation is correct though... so points for that :smt002

 

I put that guy on ignore a lonnnnng time ago.

*yawn*

 

He either lives an incredibly sheltered life or is in a disturbing depth of reality denial.

 

Jaybee, I find your comment a little harsh to say the least.

My Father used to be in the military and has fought in wars, he is certainly no murderer or animal - he is a wonderful, respectful man whom has lost friends on the front line.

My Great Grandad lost his life fighting for our country in World War II over in Burma..

How can you have such a cruel opinion of people in the military? I really hope I have misunderstood your post.

 

well that's the purpose of ignore...

i'd rather be sheltered from sweeping generalizations, ass-hattery, and complete disregard for other people.

 

You have, but if your grandad fought in Burma, he was conscripted. That's the difference. He had no choice BUT to fight - I don't hold a man's service, for which he had no choice, against him.

My own Grandfather fought the japs in one of the few Indian actions against the Japs, he was a tall, rawboned, fierce man who had decked more than a few foreign sailors in Mombasa in his time. I remember him, even in his old age, he had a fierce, terrifying appearance, and stood a good 6ft. The Indian government at the time had a policy of selective conscription - they excused most of the people they called up, he got called and and was NOT excused, so had to fight - but he did what the law of the land stipulated.

That was, in any case, a just war. I would not have turned out the way I had if my ancestors were the type to blindly submit to fighting for causes which they had not thoroughly thought through.

 

Right, so the previous post is referring to men/women who choose to sign up to the Military?

 

Correct, CHOSE. Our grandfathers had no choice, they fought or they got thrown in jail and blacklisted for life.

 

Right, I'm not sure what you're getting at, but as I said previously .. my Father "chose" to sign up to the Military, that does not make him an "animal" or a "murderer" .. forgive me if you think I am being a little over sensitive, but I don't respond well to ignorance.

 

What don't you get?? You are indeed being oversensitive, but I understand, a lot of military have non-military kids, and every child's instinct is to defend his father/mother, regardless of faults.

 

Bex you are not being overly sensitive, I am also offended by his post. Having served myself, along with many family members I take slight to his description of military personnel as murderous animals.

 

Jaybee, are you for real?

Athena, I am glad I'm not the only one! xx