how do your family members feel about you dating interacial?

No offense but I find it hard to believe there is THAT much of a difference.

First of all besides the major cities in Australia there isnt a large minority population --especially not blacks. Less diversity in the first place = less opprotunity or reason to show a racist side. Who is to say that if Aus. was made up of a solid percentage of blacks and hispanics like America there would be no more tension.

I know the history of how the Australians (not all or even most but alot) treated and treat Aboriginals. I've read numerous other things about race tensions like the Cronulla race riots of 2005.

For the most part I believe AUS and USA are nice and accepting but there is no denying both have their certain parts and people.

 

Firstly, the Cronulla riots were with the Lebanese. Not Aboriginals. Secondly, I have I lived in both countries. Have you ever even been to Aus? Australia is literally nothing like America, in so many ways.

 

My father would be overjoyed if I ever brought an Indian girl back, but in my heart of hearts, that won't happen. I mean I have gone out with them, they often make fantastic girlfriends/wives, but it's like the difference between diet coke and champagne, once you go white, nothing else feels so right...



Anyway, he'd be a bit miffed if we got engaged, but he'd soon get over it. Mum would have been happy with a good WW, but sadly, no future mother-in-law for my future Liz...

Rest of the family are enlightened enough to value her personality more than her ethnicity.

 

Firstly, I never said the Cronulla race riots were about Aboriginals. Look back at what I actually typed. After the Aboriginals comment I typed "and other racial tensions". In fact I know the entire Cronulla story. For anyone that doesn't http://www.nowpublic.com/race_riot_cronulla_australia

Great for you but does this deny the fact that Australia has its fair share of racial issues? I don't think so. I don't care if you founded Australia yourself -- Australia is nice but the image you're trying to portray is BS.

I never said they were alike. My point still stands. Anyone can feel free to google "racial tensions in Australia" and see for yourself how many articles come up. Don't get offended because I believe Aus. is generally a nice country but dont pretend like Australia is a paradise of racial harmony compared to America because its certainly not. It has its own set of issues.

I'll stop sidetracking this thread -- several links talking about racism in Australia --

Video 1 is from a major news network in Sydney. --

" We have been able to estabalish that there is a definite problem of racism in Australia"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zt3jx6MHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PRzKZXtImk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNA5-d1mVTQ&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCfYnx6hEu4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq8WX1Qg1PU&feature=related




Like I said I don't mean this offensively and I believe Australia is generally great and i'm sure your family is nice and accepting but get real.

 

about the Cronulla story both sides were wrong but the worse is the media was making this worse (as always in almost everything)

There are a lot of racial issues in Australia and i can tell a lot of stories i have quiet a few about myself also but i still think Australia compare to usa is way better on this..

 

Out of my past, my family knows exactly that there is nothing that couldn´t happen with me, to me. I broke all rules and limits.

They know about my passion to foreigners all over the globe, different races and nationalities.

Pictures of my african business partners and of my travels are everywhere in my house. If one calls and my mom is just with me, I tell him to greet my mom and give her the phone.
She feels honoured, asks me about this person and gets interested in.

On the other hand I also say that I expect that my family welcomes the man I will bring home sometimes. Wouldn´t they do, I would ask myself and them, if they really love me.

 

Scott - You forget that The US has a huge history of slavery that is not met in many many countries. That brings a history that simply can not compare to countries that didnt have it
I dont think JABL say there is NO racism in Aussie land. I dont think she is trying to paint it in rose colors.. its just very VERY different from here.

I also was struck by the racism here when I got here, I was BAFFELED by it! If you dont come from this country (US), it is truly mindwarping.
Not to say we dont have racism in my country , or in JABL's - it is just very very different here in the US.. more.. "infected" - dont know how to describe it to racism in many other countries.. Its simply very different.

I think you will hear the same from every person that came here frome somewhere else..

 

Of course I haven't forget the history of slavery in America -- my ancestors actually lived it. lol @ you trying to lecture me on this. Most of these countries have next to no diversity compared to America. Little diversity = less tension by default but it doesnt mean the potential isnt there.

Of course-- many people not from America will attemp to shed a negative light on ANYTHING American given the opprotunity. In fact I think it is engrained in many. Thats why I take these comments from foreigners bragging about how their country is "so much better with racism" with a grain of salt. The links, the stories, the facts say otherwise and show they have their own set of problems to deal with.

My only point is as far as racism goes there are certain spots and people everywhere. Trying to paint America as "much much worse" isn't going to fly. I actually am a minority in America so I live this "much much worse". Its not that bad.

America has plenty of racist but something like this would never fly in an American Stadium in front of a public audience. You would be ejected from the stadium for crap like this.

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Plus, for being so accepting I am yet to see many of these countries electing a significant ammount of minorities in important office and government positions yet huh? while America has a half black president and several other minorities in higher up positions.

Like I said no offense, I bet these countries and your families are great but lets not fool ourselves and preted like these countries are "far far more accepting". Granted- some are a little better than others but the "far far better" talk is BS. I chalk it all up to an ingrained bias towards America that most of the world has.

 

My mum doesn't care... she knows I like exotic matches
My dad lost hope with me, so he is like "whatever".
Uncles etc are ok; my grandpa, when I told him my b/f was black, said: "You had to find right a black one?", but he was always polite and nice with him in the end.
And btw.... even if everybody hated black people... (and so it would be likely that I hated them too, since education's influence is strong) I wouldn't give a fuck about what they think . Why should I give up some bitter chocolate for them? :smt045

 

I wasnt trying to lecture you on slavery in the US - do you really think Im that stupid?????? Please, put down the pipe.

I was merey trying to tell you that countries that DID NOT have slavery do NOT have the same "type" of racism.. for a lack of better way to put it.

Us that acctually lived in different countries acctually see the difference.. and you were questioning it - clearly you didnt think of the fact that countries that have never experienced slavery do not have the same history of events that has lead to this racisms you see here today.
I dont think anyone meant worse per se (I think different is a more accurate word).
On the other hand, if you have not lived as a minority here and elsewhere, I dont think you are qualified to neither deny nor confirm... obviously nether can JABL nor me... or you for that matter.
JABL and I can only share some experience from the outside looking in in both our own country and The US.

And for you to do the silly jump to "non Americans will attempt to shed a negative light and "bragging" about their own countries as far as racism" really proves how you choose to take the commenst any way you want and not for what they were - stop being so darn defensive about comments about the US and try to see the big picture - noone is critizising you, nor the US.
People are just trying to SHARE how things are in OTHER countries other than YOURS! The world is not only about the US and when someone is trying to share something about their country - stop taking it as "bragging" and just for what it is, a simple explanation of things that are different.
With you attitude, no wonder some "non-Americans" wants to shed some negative light on the US - you are not willing to listen at all.

No one was trying to shed negative light on the US. Facts are facts and as such should not bear any emotional weight, just take them for what they are and stop putting your own feelings about them onto others.

I for one love this country, and very few of my non-American friends do NOT - and NOONE has it "engrained" (sheesh) in them to say negative things about the US, unless you are living in certain parts of the world with specific propaganda. ... and I leave it at that.

Im not going to comment on teh Soccer crap, because it goes on in soccer and not nessesarily an accurate description of what goes on outside soccer. Soccer is infamous for the followings of racists and criminal elements. and is so deplorable and disgusting - Of course that is racism and Im not going to deny that but it doesnt make your case in any way.

Also, your comment about electing blacks into offices in politics - REALLY shows your ignorance, did you just pull that commet out of your ass without research? I can post a number of very influential blacks in Europe politics, and I have in a nother thread - in response to you I believe.

1) go look it up, there is plently of black in important postitions in other countries

2) the ratio of blacks are significanlty much less in most other countries (e.g., Europe) thus you can not only look at the sheer number of blacks in politics etc, but you have to take that number in comparison to how many blacks there ARE in that specific country to get a fair comparison.

If you do not its like me making a comment about the lack of bobsledders in Jamaica, if there is no fukken snow, then you cant very well have bobsledders..
ok, the reference was a bit silly (on purpose), but Im trying to make a point.

 

And that's because our immigration is relatively NEW in comparison with yours. She was right to bring the slavery point up. (Not that I agree with all the rest).

 

You werent yet I quote word for word "Scott you seem to forget about the history of slavery in America".

Now you are arguing that it is just a different type of racism that goes on? Fair enough and I agree. Of course it will be a different type of racism -- the demographics are different. This still doesn't refute my point of not falling for the "America is much more worse" comment. but if the argument is now "its simply a different kind of racism" instead of "racism is much worse in America" like iniatially was trying to be put forth than fair enough.

No, I clearly do see that. In fact lets think about what I actually typed -- Did I ever say that racism in Australia and Europe was the exact same type of racism? or that it exsisted because they shared the same history as America?No- my only point that there is also comparable racism. The argument wasn't about splitting hairs on the different types of racism. It was about foreigners pretending race issues are "far far better" in their countries with nothing solid to support it besides "it just feels different" or "slavery didnt happen there".

So it's not worse now its just different is the argument? Okay, then excuse me for taking (and I quote word for word) "America is more infected" and "far far less in Australia" as meaning that America is worse about racism.

Listen I am not pretending to be an expert on Australia or Europe or even America entirely but BS is BS. I didn't have to live in Germany during the 1930's and 40's to know the Holocaust happened and I don't have to personally have lived in Europe and Australia to know they have their own set of issues too.

I understand that and please don't take me wrong because I am not trying to attack you ladies.

No i'm taking them the way I want- like I said I don't mean any of this offensively. I just know to take these comments with a grain of salt. Simple as that.

I don't take it offensively and I said several times "I am sure these countries are great" but i'm not going to let a BS portrayel of America compared to other countries slide. If those were your personal experiecences than fine -- but don't try to play it off as fact.

Like I said no offense but i'm sure you missed where I said severly times "I believe these countries are generally great".

Facts are facts huh? Then good because if I recall correctly I was the one that provided links and videos to support my argument as opposed to vague arguments like "it just feels different there". So great point -- facts are facts.

Good and like I said I believe these other countries are generally great too.

Exactly. If it doesnt help to make my case then please provide us with an example of something like this happening in modern American sports without reprocussions. Look, I am not saying that soccer hooligans speak for the decent Europeans at all but the fact that they are even allowed to behave that way in a European stadium without being ejected is a clear fundamental difference comapred to what would happen in an American stadium.

Please. Who is offended now? I don't think i've told anyone to "put the pipe down" or called them ignorant.

First of all, I didnt just say blacks. I said minorities. Second of all did I say there were no minority officials in Europe or Australia at all or did I say I didnt think there were a significant number? and by significant I mean comparable to America. When these same Eureopeans and Australians that like to go on about the backwardness and racism in America elect a minority in the HEAD office then let me know. I didnt mean that comment to say that these countries are worse than America --- but I am just not seeing these huge "much more" progressive strides these countries are supposed to have.


Sure many of these countries don't have as big of a minority population as America but this goes right back to the reasons of perceived racial tensions. With no blacks and mexicans living in your neighborhood, or taking your jobs their is no reason to show your true colors. but like I said for the smaller minority populations in these countries they do their fair share so. Again no offense to anyone.

 

I agree with you. Not only that but Italy doesnt have as big of minority population in general at all. Of course a country like America with more minorities will have more in positions by default. My point is this though-- no European country or Australia is making any bigger strides whether it be by default demographics or racism so they are in no position to criticize American racism yet.

Most of the whites that live in America ancestors were not even involved in slavery and their roots can be traced right back to the European countries we are talking about only a few generations ago.

 

Like someone else mentioned, I tend to keep my relationships private with my family for the sake of attachment if things don't go well. I could see my parents being ok with it though, but they'de have jokes for days.

 

I'm in my first interracial relationship and it will be my last (he's my soulmate, eventually going to get married). My mom has recently told me that she always kind of knew I would end up with someone of another race.

I was terrified to tell my family, since I grew up in a very small town where people rarely see black people. I never even saw one until I was 18 and in college. So far everyone has been respectful and that's all I could ask. My grandmother doesn't agree with it, but she loves me so she is happy for me.

 

I jus don give a ***

noone of my kin will like it but I dont give a flyin 747 f***
Im doin Me,Myself&I no matter when how &what it takes
I stay true to myself &as long as I feel for someone Ima be with him
or am I supposed to fight my feelings &act like its all under cntrl datin someone Im not attracted to? NO way!!!

 

well be on topic i will reply also

first i dont care what my family will think i am away from my family for 16 years and they have no right to tell me what i do with my life ..
but i know well they wont have a problem anyway maybe they problem if it will be any is what other people will think ..you know small place that they live people talk more and people that hate you will talk...

 

p.s.

I believe that there is a new generation of people who feel&understand&act out of race/any other box
&I know that I am one of those who are able&are changin their life

 

My family couldn't care less about the colour of my man's skin. As long as I am happy, that's all they want.

My mother and sister are both in IR relationships and it truly is a non-issue for everyone else. Anyone with objections has the tact and respect to keep it to themselves in my fam.

 

It was a shock to my family first of all because they expected me to date a white guy. I have old-fashioned family values as I was raised by very strict Catholic parents. My mother's not bothered with race, as long as I am happy. My father on the other hand is another story, one hint of colour (even olive skinned!) he takes offence. He's always been from the Victorian era, I argued my side to ...I argued my side to them and said if they loved me then they would accept who i date.