Half Black/Half white = Black? Biracial people

I AGREE that they are both. As I said in my original post, they are not others. They are both. They are each of their races, and they are all of them.

My argument is that Biracial people can choose to define what race they are, be it one, the other, or both. They can also change their mind, or define themselves in different ways at different times.

My argument with you is specifically the part about "they cannot choose." They can choose. They are the only ones that can.

Dozens of YouTubes doesn't really stand up against the leading organization of Biracial people in the country, tho.

How so?

 

I'd really like an answer to the question below:

 

Yes they should there still half black

 

Maybe a Bi-racial person will explain it to you better. I don't know how many bi -racial people you have but the majority of my friends are biracial and they hate being considered one or thee other race. They don't choose what race they are. They choose which race they feel comfortable with and fit in. It's too different things. Im still collecting all the evidence. It's alot trust me this dispute is ending.

 

I grew up in a neighborhood with more biracial kids than almost any other in the nation. I've also been studying this most of my life.

It is true that biracial kids are often required to choose what race they fit in with. It is also true that many hate being told they are one race or the other.

The key there is that it is wrong to tell biracial people what race they are. Only they should have that right.

It doesn't sound like there's a dispute at all. It sounds like you've misunderstood every single post I or anyone else has made in this thread so far.

 

Bi-racial people may define themselves however they choose. This does not negate the fact that society (at least here in the U.S.) will define them as black. They do not have control over that definition. What Chrome is saying is that the definition society assigns to bi-racial individuals is racist. He is correct. They are defined as black because whites will not accept them in the white community as white. Take a glass of water. If it's clean and clear, it's water. Put a drop of arsenic in it, it's poisonous. That one drop ruined the whole glass. This is how many white people feel about bi-racial people. Hence, the one drop rule. Of course, it's a terribly racist way to think but it's reality.

 

If that is what Chrome is saying, of course I agree completely.

Posts like the one below, however, imply that Chrome not only thinks it is wrong for Biracial people to be told to choose one race over another, but also believes it is wrong for Biracial people themselves to make the choice to describe themselves as one race or another.

I do not believe you can demand that Biracial people identify themselves as Biracial, or believe themselves to be Biracial, at all times with all people. Society does attempt to make them define themselves as society wishes. This is wrong. Biracial people deserve the right to define themselves. They may not always have that right in our racist society, but that does not make them any less deserving of that right.

 

Biracial people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OujJGf-nbpI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTXTRBUuOG8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovyF...D823F6B7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ivlOEl_isU

Black people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCqbNpMMTCQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSS23tD4x3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRe0b1CZ3ks

Side stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk5f7xDM9Yw

Sorry took so long got sidetracked.
I also lost like half my information computer screwed up but I think this should be adequate.

Was watching videos like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmxKrC6TL_g&feature=channel_page

 

Chrome, could you please clarify a little more?

Several people have suggested that you are merely arguing that society is constantly demanding that Biracial people choose one race or another, and that this is wrong.

I completely agree with that.


However, it seems to me that you are also saying that Biracial people should not be allowed to choose to define themselves as they please.

Some people have suggested perhaps you are only saying that Biracial people are generally not allowed to choose.

Could you please clarify for everyone whether you think Biracial people ought to have the right to define their race as they see fit?

 

Exactly. Let her define herself.

From her channel:

Exactly.

 

My whole problem which was what I said in my original post is that people say Black + white = Black.
when its supposed to be
Black + white = Biracial Black and white

Other issue
There's a difference between fitting and being more comfortable with a race then saying well I consider myself full Black even though Im mixed.

You can't disown your own race. Unless you can physically remove your genetics and DNA it doesn't matter how much you detest being part white or asian. It's still apart of you.


In the videos Bi-racial people define themselves as Bi-racial. Their not only black. Their not only white. Their black and white. Just like nineteen percent said. She's not wearing a black hoodie. She's not wearing a white hoodie. She's wearing a grey hoodie.

Like I said. Most of my friends are biracial. More then half of my family is biracial. And since Im on this site looks like Im keeping up the trend.
I can tell you from personal experience that they get pissed off when they say they are half black and half hispanic and people say "well you look black why don't you consider yourself just black." World war 3.

Yes theirs Bi-racial people who are half black half white pass and disown their half black or half white side and say they are full black or full white. It's all fine and dandy but at the end of the day your still bi-racial. Proud or not.

 

In that case, why on Earth did you describe the below as "The Wrong Answer"?

 

And I can tell you from personal experience that biracial people also get pissed off when someone says "you're not Black."

You assume that someone who wants to claim one part of their heritage at any given time is denying the other parts. If Barack Obama says "I am a Black Man" he is right. If he says "I am a Biracial Man" he is right. Most of the time, he describes himself as Black, but he also has been extremely public about his experiences being Biracial, and being raised by his white mother & grandparents. He gets to define himself. Deciding for him what his racial definition is not cool.

 

Biracial people are not an other. They are a both or a many. Someone who is mixed with Black and Asian, for instance, is both Black and Asian. They could identify as Black or Asian or Biracial, and be right each time. It is up to them to identify themselves as they wish, and that can change during different parts of their lives, or even moment to moment depending on who they are with. There's no wrong answer here.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean they can say their full asian or full black even though their both or they fit in with being asian or being black?
There two different things.

 

I mean they can say "I am Asian" or "I am Black."

As one of the women you linked to said:

 

Yes their saying that they can identify with either race but they also said that they do not disown thee other.

 

Im saying Asian + white + = Biracial Asian/white
Black + white = Biracial Black/white

Im not saying Bi-racial are seperate. Im saying their in between and a mix.

 

Biracials will eventually collaborate with "whites" and contribute to the oppression of "Blacks"
(See Dominican Republic,Lousiana creoles,Americo liberians,Cape Verdians,The Blue Vein Society,etc)

To be frank,we are headed the way of Latin America,where Blacks are light years behind Blacks in America when it comes to equality.


The "one drop rule" will eventually become obsolete,as more and more americans mix up...


Do a quick Google search and u'll get a preview of it from,pro white,self hating,tragic mulattoes .

[youtube]kFpNPzjs3IQ[/youtube]

 

She also says she can favor one over the other if she chooses. If a Biracial person chooses one part of their identity rather than the mixture, then that is their choice. Race is a social construct, not hard science. If you are raised one race, you are treated as one race, if you feel like one race, then no one else in the world should have the right to demand that you include the races of some of your relatives in your own self definition.

Like Francie, I'd ideally like for all Biracial kids (and most assuredly my own someday) to include all the races in their makeup in their own identity. But I don't have the right to demand it. No one does. We can prefer that Biracial people identify as Biracial, but we don't have the right to demand it.

 

Just a quick question what race and gender are you?
Thats not what she meant. Yes she can favor to fit in with the race she likes better but it does not change who she is. Your going about this all wrong.

You have good intentions. I understand where your coming from. But your wrong. Biracial people who don't accept their other half have that right. But that half will always be apart of them they can't change what they are.

And race is scientific. We all have different features physically, genetically and dna wise. Black people have thicker skin. White people have less denser and lighter bones. We have many differences as well as similarities but difference none the less. Bi-racial people have mixed features which is why Biracial people have more balanced features and pure race people have more extreme.



Let's take her for example. Her skin isn't too dark or too light. She has slanted eyes like asians but not too slanted. Her lips are averaged size not big like Black people are small like asians. She has thick but straight hair. Her skin tone is a little more rich. Her nose isn't to big or too small.

What do you consider her? Is she black or asian even though she's clearly both. According to your logic she can say she's full asian.