Weapons: what do you think?

I so wish I've never made this thread! :smt105 I'm shocked.:smt022

 

Hells yeah.

 

I think that's a well-put statement Malik.

 

Part of the success of America has to be attributed to guns. Their guns overpowered bows and spears, so uhh.....yeah. Something that gave the founding fathers an advantage in taking over shit was because of guns. They ain't going anywhere.

 

Okay, there is a nugget of truth buried in your statement:


James Madison: Americans have "the advantage of being armed" -- unlike the citizens of other countries where "the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

George Mason: "To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

Samuel Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."

 

:smt023Sir, those are some pretty powerful examples, thanks for the enlightenment.

I know everyone on here doesn't agree, but you have to see the logic in the statements above, correct?

 

Pro constitution , so i am pro gun, pro free speech, pro free assembly, pro religious freedom, anti slavery, pro right to innocent until proven guilty.

so yes love my weapons and support everyones rights to own a weapon and everyone elses right to choose not to own one:smt066

 

Definitely, the wholesale slaughter/subjugation of native people around the world and African slave trade would've been impossible without the gun.

Very much an astute observation.

 

If you are going to quote someone, could you at least find people who didnt own slaves? Lets face it, when the white founding fathers were talking about bearing arms, the last thing they meant was black men.

 

I wouldn't want to own anything that can possibly kill a person. We can't live without knives in the kitchen, but we can chose not to live with weapons in our house.

 

That's a beautiful answer...in a ideal world.Would you give the same answer if someone would threaten you're life or the lives of the ones you love?I hope you'll never be confronted with this dilemma.As for me,I try to avoid using guns as much as possible,but sometimes reality forces you to do just that.

 

I grew up around guns and have no problem with them. Ideally, we wouldn't need them. However, in a world where the baddies have them, I refuse to get caught with my pants down. I don't care where you live, having that extra layer of safety is never a bad idea. Just because you own one does not mean you're running around waving it to settle disputes. Hell, I've owned guns my entire adult life and never once had to pull it on another human being.

I do understand the whole European 'guns are the devil' thing... but, why don't we say the same thing about knives, cars, archery equipment (which I plan to buy soon) and anything else that can be used to take a human life. The tool that is used to kill is just that, a tool... a collection of parts. Your fear or mistrust is misplaced on the tool. You should fear the person behind it.

 

I absolutely agree. I too have a gun and have never used it on something living. Just because I have a firearms license doesn't mean I am blood thirsty.

I must admit though, coming to the US has me a little nervous because there are so many more people with guns, but truly only the bad guys will likely use them on another person. Probably just as many bad guys in Canada have illicit arms as in the US.

Like ThePolice said, in a perfect world they wouldn't be used, but good people are surrounded by bad guys so having a solid defense is smart. Here's a quote from On Killing by Dave Grossman:

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

He's one of my favourite realists.

 

You're right fly girl, they only meant citizens, and blacks were not. The good thing about the US Constitution is that the drafters ensured that it could be changed if a sufficient majority of American States demand it. Slavery was abolished and citizenship is no longer race-based. Women have the right to vote.

Americans want the Second Amendment left alone.

 

My point was, we have progressed past their retarded mentality on slavery and yet some feel we shouldnt progress past their retarded views on guns. Our society us fundamentallty different than it was several hundred years ago.

(by retarded, I mean it in a sense like a throttle is retarded not like a mentally challenged person)

 

I totally understood what you meant FG. Apparently enough Americans agree with you that slavery was wrong to get it abolished.

Respectfully, not all agree with you (many on this thread, present company included), that the 2d amendement is retarded.

 

:smt055

 

Yeah, I am use to it. Most people havent had to see the consequences of handgun violence. The chances of that gun they keep being used to kill someone who means you harm are very very small as compared to it being used to kill someone unintended. But it makes them FEEL safe.

as I said earlier, I refuse to be a part of the problem.

 

Not at all trying to be mean, but a knife is a weapon, too. So is a baseball bat, so is a lamp, so is a trophy, so is a wall or a countertop for that matter. Almost anything with sharp edges, solid surfaces and weight can be used as a weapon, when the intent is meant to do harm....

I'm just sayin', you don't have to own a gun to have a weapon in the house.

 

Good post! :smt023