Hamas has only themselves to blame

If it is pointless, then when get it in and why bring the holocaust into it? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with the holocaust? Nope, but they sure had had their share of deaths at the hands of people who cry holocaust while taking their lands and starving them.

But I guess they dont count cause one Muslim did you wrong, right?

 

Bullshit. You are simply regurgitating news sources who lie.

Using your own definition of terrorist, then Isitreal fits the bill. So you may now properly call them terrorists to continue the discussion.

 

Ooooh, so civil and lady-like! Re-read my post because you didn't understand my explanation apparently. There is no discussion to continue because you are irrational.

 

Well, now that's a complement, THANK YOU so very much Luc!!
I like it cold too, it snowed in Arizona yesterday so she was in my thoughts!!

 

The pleasure is ALL mine.

 

Yes, I am supposed to coo and giggle, even when people are making racists comments about my people. I forgot.

 

Flygirl, I probably shouldn't have said that you are irrational, we clearly have different opinions here, and I can respect that.

I vehemently disagree however. There is a clear distinction between terrorism and the legitimate defense force of a democracy.

I made no racist comment.

 

Sir Nose, the difference is in what they have at their disposal. Isitreal can launch tactical million-dollar-missle offensives because WE give them that power. The Palestinians throw rocks, launch home built missles (that do little damage) and blow themselves up because they have no resources.

Labeling someone a terrorist in todays world means they can simply be disappeared and even their family will not know they are on some floating prison out at sea. Muslims are afraid to even make charitable contribuitions (which is one of the tenants of our faith) because if they give it to someone the US doesnt like, they will be labeled a terrorist and lock up with almost no civil liberties. It is a dangerous time to be Muslim. And that is not even an exageration.

So when people start throwing around the terrorist label, it hits me strong. I have had the FBI come out to my work to question me. I have seen the fear my fellow immigrant Muslims live with. The discrimination they face is harsh. The assaults out masjids get do not even make the news. We are un-news-worthy, unless we are a "terrorist".

 

I understand. Basically what you are talking about is profiling, and that is wrong. I have been a victim of profiling as well-many times.

To be against terrorism is fine in my book, but this doesn't mean to be anti-muslim. That is not only racist, it is stupid. I know some Americans think they way, and many did immediately following 9-11, but it is inexusable.

 

I think many of the European governments are overly sympathetic towards the Palestinians. Israel has been fighting for its right to exist for 60 years. They've had to deal with countries who wanted to drive it into the Mediterranean. Europeans dealt with this during WWII with the Nazis. Many died while fighting the Nazis. You would think that more of them would see Israel's point

 

So, will you move back to Europe? After all, you are living on land that belonged to and Indian tribe.

If you're asking me if the US should be giving aid to Israel (or any other country) I would say no. I do not believe it's our job or duty to take care of any nation. Let's say the situation was reversed. Let's say that there were Jewish terrorists and they were trying to destroy an Arab/Muslim nation. Would you be so quick to condemn the US for aiding the Arab/Muslim nation?

Again. Are you prepared to leave North America and move to Europe? Because Indians were dispossesed of their lands, the land that you live on today. Is it okay for you to live on "stolen" land and not okay for Israelis to live on land you claim was stolen from Arabs? If so, why or why not?

 

I have applied to go live in a couple of European nations. They didnt want me.

I have African blood and some Native too. I have been attacked on the forum plenty for not being a "real" white woman.

You can dance around how these empirical nations cut up and divvied out land they had no right too if it makes you feel better. Great Britian and the US are the reason for most of the land disputes in the world today. Of coarse, they are white nations which gives them the holy right to make decisions for all other peoples in the world.

 

I think I remember this.

 

I am often critical of Muslim nations. I hold them to a higher standard on many issues due to our faith.

 

I do too, which is why I usually do not bring it up and steer clear of many subjects. LOL

And honestly, I should have stayed out of this one.

 

Did they tell you why they wouldn't accept you?

That is unfortunate.

Who's dancing around what? I just suggested that since you are such in opposition to Israel and it's "colonialism", you should leave the Americas and move to Europe because the native peoples here were dispossessed of their land, as you claim also happened to the Palestinians.

What you're basically saying is the no one other than white people have ever taken land that didn't belong to them. What about the Mongols? What about the Muslim armies that overtook North Africa, Spain, Turkey, and the Balkans?

I would ask that you read this book, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

I read it for a Global History class I took a couple semesters ago. It will give you an insight as to how Europeans came to dominate the world we live in

 

There will never be peace

 

I hope that's not the case. I would love the day when we're talking about Israel and its neighbors as normal neighbors rather than as enemies

 

I think you missed my point. I mentioned not the holocaust itself, but my great aunt Feiga whose story I related. I related the story because she, a holocaust survivor, did not support the 7 day war and left Israel when it started.

And please let's leave my personal life out of this. I don't see why personal remarks are necessary, even if you're annoyed with my post.

 

Of course you do.