This is very sad

Of course it can AND it will! The US system is not lenient at all. The officers are savvy - they'll go on your myspace and your facebook, and your page better have your happy couple pictures on it and a clear confirmation that you're married!

Here is the list of documents that are REQUIRED to prove good faith:

List of Documents Necessary for N-400 Applications based on marriage to USC:
1. Birth Certificate of any children born to the marriage
2. Driver’s Licenses, Learner’s Permit, or Boat License for Husband and Wife with current address
3. Vehicle registration and insurance card and declaration page from insurance showing everyone on the policy for all vehicles owned by either spouse
4. If couple rents their home, then Original Current Lease with both spouses names with signatures or notarized letter from landlord that states when the couple began living in the apartment together, the address of the apartment and the amount of rent that the couple pays
5. If couple owns their home, then Original Deed
6. Last 3 monthly statements for each type of Utility Bill (Phone, electric, cable, etc.) if the bills are in the husband and/or wife’s name (preferably in both names)
7. Joint Income Tax Returns since you have been married --- must have W-2 Forms (taxes should be filed as: a ) married filing joint return; or b) married filing separate return for each year that couple was married) --- If couple filed tax returns as married filing separately for any year that they were married, then the alien spouse must show their own tax return and W-2 for that year, as well as the US citizen spouse. PLEASE NOTE: If client has not filed correctly, then the taxes should be amended as soon as possible.
8. Letter from Bank regarding joint bank account
9. Last 3 Bank statements or bank book
10. Junk mail, catalogs, magazines, the envelopes of letters or cards from friends or family addressed to the husband and/or wife
11. Photo Album(s) with wedding pictures, vacation pictures of couple, boarding passes, itinerary and pictures of couple with other family members
12. Statement or letter from Health Insurance or Life Insurance with both names of spouses
13. Last three statements for Joint Credit Cards and copies of actual cards
14. The actual credit cards, ATM cards, or insurance or prescription cards
15. Letter from church or club stating that both spouses are members (optional)
16. If many of the documents listed above are not available, then original notarized affidavits of third parties that can swear that the marriage is bona fide and that the marriage was not entered into to evade any Immigration law.

 

Good reading, right Green Zorro?

 

that sucks

 

You have no idea, you really dont. I have plenty of Introspection and call things as I see it including low self esteem jack asses who feel compelled to perputuate and endorse negative stereotypes about black people, my anger comes from people who claim to be black and try and use that as a way to gain credibility when they make negative generalisations about black men. You are by some distance the worst example of this on the website.

Thats rich, because I dont even believe your black. You are certainly the one who should be very careful about what you say.

what? more ignorant generalistic posts about black men, thats all you ever do, please stop already.

Where do I start with this? "protect the people you love?" who happen to be ww (you sound like a racist), "most of my friends are black" you sound like a racist. YOu speak 10 african languages? sure buddy.

Like all self respecting racists, you have taken it upon yourself to warn the ww about the dangers of dating bm. You are a racist.

Im sorry racist did you mean us bm?



Your constant attacks on BM has put you in my radar. This topic is one such example. There are two sides in that human beings exploit others is a matter of persona not race or gender. I have seen oriental women and some eastern european women use black african men who are naturalised for papers, that you have bm in africa struggling and that opportunity arises to better themselves and they take it is not a shock. As all races do it, oriental women raised in the orient are all over white dudes who come through for that reason. It is not something I could ever condone but for you to come on here and make it seem like its a black problem is bullshit.

 

Let me teach you something about africa , we have something called "Indaba", it's a zulu word , please google it and find it meaning... As a "muntu " i respect life and people no matter their race, i will never ever tolerate or encourage people who abandon their wifes and children (Family , Family mean a lot to a true african , a muntu i mean), this is unacceptable. You know nothing about being black or African.

Look , i am talking about africans, so you don't even know what Ubuntu is

There are members of this forum who know me personally , they might tell you about my race, i don't have to explain myself to you ... I do not kill, steal , hurt people (I will expect the other to do the same)...

I do not attack black males , i have the courage to stand when things goes wrong and say it in family , i believe this forum is a kind of family, please as i mention previously search or google the meaning of "Ubuntu" and "Indaba".


Do you know how many countries we have in africa? Do you know the origine of black people? Do you even know Obama's dad native language?

You are a typical exemple of corrupt ones (The product of colonization or slavery ) , it's a shame... People like you make me hate been an African.


I have been receiving a lot of attracking e-mails , from now i don't care... Attack me here or on my personal e-mails , i wont stop. I thought of requesting the deletion of this thread but i won't do it for you.

 

DId anyone else read this guys posts? THis is clearly a nutjob of sorts. All your knowledge of africa comes from Wikipedia and google, you are not black.
And you dont hate being african, you hate africans, that is clear from your posts. period.

 

I really don't know as per Ronja post , there are conditions prior getting your green cards in Europe (Like number of years with the women , and so on ...). I believe with time they might change the laws and make it harder for these thugs , i can't wait for it.

 

I think what maghalil is trying to say is that you can marry whomever you'd like...it doesn't matter whether they are from Senegal, Angola, Eritrea, Mali, South Africa etc...the point is to be wary of someone's intentions but to also be willing to give them a fair shot. Personally...as a black American male...I know a lot of upstanding African dudes...and I also know that it would be wise to marry someone that is a legal citizen in your country...or at least someone that doesn't need your help to stay whatever nation you may be residing in at the time.


For the European WW...let me break it down this way: In the United States, we've got millions upon millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico and the rest of Central America (even some from South America) and I don't see any WW here, lining up to marry them to help them stay here in the country. Let the man take care of his own business.

Don't get used out of "love." Understand that the man, especially if he is new from Africa, and loves his own culture...probably loves his nation's women as well...African men (like men from anywhere else) value their culture which is to be respected...so why would the guy be so willing to marry someone on short notice, whom they have little if anything in common with? Even if the man is legal and was white...you'd be reluctant to get married so quickly...why would you jump in with someone that is not only black but has a completely different background..and has a major incentive to lie and dump you down the road?

 

It could be true some of the African men take advantage of some of the women here for the sake of love but not all of them. Great number of them have very genuine intentions and very good reasons for coming to Europe. I for one, I am from West Africa, I came here in Europe to study for a graduate programme which I have successfully completed and now have a good job here in Europe but I have never thought of using a lady here to facilitate the procedure of getting any residence documents whatsoever because I personally do not see any need to do that. What I expect you rather to highlight emphatically is for the women to be careful with African men here who could not demonstrate any genuine reason of being in Europe and who are seemingly disgruntled or frustrated as a result use all tactics at their disposal to survive here.

 

I'm not surprised at this phenomenon, in fact i'm surprised at the fact that it is just beginning to gain traction, despite the fact that it's been happening for such a long time.

Many African men - and Carribbean men - have a history of coming overseas, marrying white, native women and abandoning them when they've gotten their documents. In many cases, they have families back in their countries of origin and intend to bring their family members over when the time is right but they rarely ever reveal that fact to their new brides.

Put simply, the idea of marrying for citizenship is not a new thing, and is not secluded to one group. In many instances, it's native Africans marrying expat Africans, and many more. It is a rather unfortunate situation, but many of these men often feel forced to do so.

Mosk, i'm really sorry about your situation and as you said (well, not really but the gist is in), once bitten, twice shy. Sadly, many women arent aware of the people they take on as "partners", often realizing when its too late.

 

yeah a lot people do that. even Spanish guys. It sad to see people are like that.

 

I've been watching this thread, it's interesting to see that the problem is world wide. It is a serious problem here in Arizona with the Mexicans too, and people don't realize how many of these guys have families in Mexico. Unfortunately our Well Fare and Social Security programs make these things more attractive, to some, I have overheard many a conversation about coming to the US, and somehow getting papers so that the government can "take care of me when I'm old".

I've even heard married men say they want to come to the US, find a wife to immigrate them and then get a divorce so they can then marry their Mexican wife again and immigrate her to the US along with the kids. I've seen some try it, and the wives actually go along with it for a while, but most of the men don't go that far, they marry here, have a couple of kids, get their papers, maybe get divorced, and never go back to Mexico for their family either. So women on both ends are getting burt by these kinds of guys.

Mosk stated some of the requirements for the US, and yes they can be very strict.

I just want to say that I too, married a foreigner and immigrated him, but just because he immigrated, didn't guarantee his being able to stay here. He was here for about 25 years, and then had his immigration status removed due to being a "person of bad character". Yes that's possible, he had a drinking problem and they sent him back to Mexico. Now he still has American children who could possibly help him re-apply in 2015, if he gets to come back he would still be eligible for his Social Security at retirement, because he paid into it, but he cannot collect any benefits while deported.

I think it's very appropriate, even though it was and is hard on his kids sometimes, he did not value what he had and it was taken away.

If someone really values immigration they will take care of it be being an upstanding person in the community.