The book-thread of seriousness

Discussion in 'Conversations Between White Women and Black Men' started by scylla, Dec 21, 2008.

  1. scylla

    scylla New Member

    Two friends of mine who both are poets got a daughter two years ago, never seen a kid with such an enormous vocabulary.. I think they store their memory in her for later use.

    I still vote for short stories or poetic prose, it's usually buildt in the same way as short stories. Enough feeling to knock you out of the chair, short enough to read in half an hour.
     
  2. LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR

    LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR New Member

    Pity. Haven't read it.

    But from a brief perusal of the plot, he may have influenced Alan Moore's V for Vendetta
     
  3. LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR

    LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR New Member

    It's quite interesting. Has shit not taught in US schools.
     
  4. scylla

    scylla New Member

    Quite possibly he did.. But V for Vendetta feels like it was influenced by most of the pre-postmodernism dystopian stories. All from Karin Boyes Kallocain 'till Burgess The end of the world news are very much based on the same doomsday feeling, before or after the a-bomb the general agreement still seems to be that sooner or later society will become more and more what we now call orwellian..
     
  5. LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR

    LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR New Member

    Indeed.
    Similar dystopian feels abound in his other work, Watchmen
     
  6. Persephone

    Persephone New Member

    The light weight questions:
    What are you reading right now?
    Couple different books. One on Celtic mythology, bunch of old national geographics, couple of graphic novels, etc. I'm always reading a bunch of different things.

    Who is your fav author?
    J. R. R. Tolkien

    Do you read poetry, in that case, what type? Fav poet?
    I read a lot of poetry, but I don't really have a favorite poet I don't suppose. Except maybe Saul Williams. I prefer to listen to my poetry really.

    The heavy artillery:
    How do you read?
    With my brain.

    Literature is like all art contextual, when reading something that is apart from your everyday context, how do you work with that?
    With an open mind.

    Do you write yourself? If, what genre and have you published anything?
    Never published, but I write poetry, songs, short stories, and scripts.

    and last:
    any quotes?

    Well, there's the one in my signature. It's an excerpt from a poem/song I wrote.

    Here's another.

    I close my eyes to define
    my place in the world
    Translucent memories surface
    of the place I was before
    Home is where the heart is
    Yes, home is where your start is
    It's where it was startin'
    Where it got started
    Where it all went wrong

    There's so many places
    These mysterious faces
    Bearing on your soul, you know
    Tearing on your soul, you know
    Eating all you know
    Treating all you know
    with callous hands
    Tainted lands
    Drink some more, love


    Introspective insecurity
    Granted, you're at ease
    With the damning of the sky
    Will you ever ask why?
    I'll never ask why
    While you twist the knife in deeper
    When the climb gets a little bit steeper
    And the winds pick up
    And the words get stuck
    And the rain falls down
    And we all go to town
    And it all falls down
    and down, and down
    Yeah, it all falls down
    and down, and down
    In the end, but it doesn't really matter
    Bout those petty things
    The shiny things
    It's just another glittering lie in a box
    And you know it.


    That's the sad part
    You know, in your heart
    This insubstantial bullshit
    Isn't prerequisite
    To the higher state of being
    That you've all been meaning
    To get around to
    It's just another impeding
    Self-deprecating
    Glittering lie in a box.
    And the rain falls down
    And we all go to town
    And it all falls down
    and down, and down
    And it all falls down
    and down, and down
    Yeah, it all falls down
    It all falls down
     
  7. KnCA

    KnCA New Member


    Good point. I always get comments about my children and their vocabulary at young ages. They are just sucking it all out of me!

    I do agree with you. Nice reminder :)
     
  8. satyricon

    satyricon Guest

    Hard Revolution, a novel set in Washington D.C. during the racial turmoil of the late 1960s. It qualifies as "crime fiction", but the themes and characterizations are a bit richer than what is typical for the genre.

    The Brothers Karamazov is my favorite book, which I have used to reason that Dostoevesky is favorite writer. Although I find most of his work repetitive and merely clever, I also like Bukowski because when he's golden, he's golden. I read philosophy quite a bit and Rousseau is my favorite writer there.

    I read slower than I used to, at times taking a month to finish a book no longer than 300 pages. I read many more books before the Internet era and I'm going to get back to that.

    Accept it on its own terms, for I assume the very reason why many people read is to immerse themselves in something divorced from their everyday context.


    --

    I have the Lash ("Culture of Narcissism") book and may read it early next year.
     
  9. scylla

    scylla New Member

    I gotta get my hands on Watchmen. And Sandman. And so many other graphic novels/comic books. It's a very interesting format and impossible for me to do myself, which is buggin the hell out of me. I can write, I can paint. But I can't combine them.

    The dystopian theme is somewhat narrow, unfortunatly enough. Human imagination don't seem to be able to construct that many different theories about our possible future in terms of pessimistic ideas.

    Have you read Jhonen Vasquez?
     
  10. LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR

    LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR New Member

    Ah, Sandman. Especially Seasons and Mists wherein Lucifer Morningstar is introduced. Neil Gaiman does good stuff.


    The dystopian theme never gets old. One just has to know how to freshen it up. Case in point: Kingdom Come by Waid and Ross.

    Jhonen Vasquez? Of Invader Zim fame? Heh. Good shit.
     
  11. scylla

    scylla New Member

    And the winds pick up
    And the words get stuck
    And the rain falls down
    And we all go to town
    And it all falls down
    and down, and down
    Yeah, it all falls down
    and down, and down


    I really like that passage. I read the text out loud to myself to get a better grasp of the rythm, it feels like something that should be read on stage. It has a good pace.

    Ok, here's a quote from a short story I wrote:

    "Your dreams against my fingertips. I'm ripping your lungs out of the torso. My arms stretched down inside the ribcage, gripping the wet and soft surfaces. This is always the hardest part, but I have the strength. The smell of your cologne on a man walking by me on the street. The recognition in someone else's voice.
    Maybe you are a sous-entendre. Were you just a hint, a nudge-nudge, this is what you could have had? In that case I fooled them. I kept you. I know I should cut down on metaphors, on redefining you over and over again. But I'm bored."

    the full story is here:
    http://lovisamappelqvist.blogg.se/1188298106_frsta_engelska_texten.html

    but every ' is changed for a ?, because of the blog tool, so if you read the whole thing, it's not my fault ok? ;)
     
  12. scylla

    scylla New Member

    Yes, that Jhonen. ^_^ I get gigglish just thinking of Invader Zim, I know way too many quotes from that series.

    Ok, while we are at the dystopian theme: Margarete Atwoods Oryx and Crake. I love that one. Her writing style is just.. well. brilliant.
     
  13. scylla

    scylla New Member

    Hasn't atwood done some sort of short story collection about canadian folk lore? atwood is one of my favourites.

    I read the twilight series, I found it somewhat.. eh. Well, I got through it in a week of total procrastination.. I actually liked the fact that she gave bella a sex drive, but I found the portraying of the vampires a bit lacking in research or explanation for inconsistency with myths..
     
  14. LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR

    LUCIFERMORNINGSTAR New Member


    I'll have to check it out.

    Just what I need more books (in addition to school 's crap) to read.
     
  15. scylla

    scylla New Member

    Do it. It's worth it. The male protagonist of the story is very realistic in a way that I often miss in these types of books.
     
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  16. untitled1985

    untitled1985 Member

    Reading right now Assata
    Favourite Author = Alex Haley

    I only read about black history


    Poetry = I only read my own poetry and I'm


    Yes I write myself, I'm working on my book right now about my messed up life

    If you judge a book by its cover, you may never read a great story, with a lousy cover
     
  17. scylla

    scylla New Member

    Or you just get a good graphic designer to do the cover.. :p Sorry, had to.
    ;)

    Why only read black history? Asked in a very conversational voice. Just curious.
     
  18. untitled1985

    untitled1985 Member

    Lol well i should have rephrased that, I didn't have time to read for years when I was with my ex, but now with all this free time I started again and have just been reading black history books but I'll expand my horizons shortly.
     
  19. scylla

    scylla New Member

    oh ok:). It did sound a bit.. well. Narrow? Ok that if you go far back enough, all history is black history. O___o
    So really, still all history stems from that, and is therefor, black history.. wooho, chain of logic.
     
  20. BlackMasterJay

    BlackMasterJay Well-Known Member

    Currently reading Steve Martins Autobiography

    I have no fav author (they all good in their ways)

    Poetry,,,yes,,,,Im a poet myself, but im more about SLAM poetry, on the mic.

    This man is currently my fav slam poet.......realness at its realest

    [youtube]RxsOVK4syxU[/youtube]
     

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